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DOJ to prosecute file swappers
ZDNet News ^ | August 20, 2002 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 08/21/2002 10:34:16 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort

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To: tdadams
A record company's contractual relationship with it's artists is really none of your business

It shouldn't be, but they make it my business by constantly harping on the fact that they are being screwed over by the labels. That's what that show seems to be about. It's like a venue for the artists to vent about the screwing they have to take to try to make it in the business. Watch it some time.

Who is working for who? Is the artist the one hiring the label? I think I already know that answer.

61 posted on 08/21/2002 9:16:40 PM PDT by Lower55
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To: tdadams
A record company's contractual relationship with it's artists is really none of your business

It shouldn't be, but they make it my business by constantly harping on the fact that they are being screwed over by the labels. That's what that show seems to be about. It's like a venue for the artists to vent about the screwing they have to take to try to make it in the business. Watch it some time.

Who is working for who? Is the artist the one hiring the label? I think I already know that answer.

62 posted on 08/21/2002 9:19:08 PM PDT by Lower55
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To: Lower55
oops
63 posted on 08/21/2002 9:21:08 PM PDT by Lower55
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To: tdadams
Your rude, arrogant responses to otherwise polite and friendly posts should have alerted the rest of us to the source of your views. You can stop educating us now - we have heard the standard RIAA talking points before. You will also note that there are now twice as many posts as when you first expressed your outrage here, and still, you are the only dissenter to the prevailing view. Ain't we all thieves who jus' don' unnestan da byznys! Happy trolling and please say a big BAH-BYE from us to your employers the dinosaurs.
64 posted on 08/21/2002 9:26:38 PM PDT by Revolting cat!
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To: Lower55
It seems that the recording industry representatives believe they can win converts to their idea of fairness by serving us generous doses of vinegar.
65 posted on 08/21/2002 9:36:25 PM PDT by Revolting cat!
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To: Revolting cat!
You will also note that there are now twice as many posts as when you first expressed your outrage here, and still, you are the only dissenter to the prevailing view.

So, we should scrap our system of laws in favor of appeasing whatever a majority wishes. I think that's called mob rule.

And you calling me rude is a laugh after you stupidly sneered at me and suggested I educate myself on the music business.

66 posted on 08/22/2002 4:25:27 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: Lower55
[Artists] make it my business by constantly harping on the fact that they are being screwed over by the labels

Yet they keep on signing with the major labels. Must not be that bad.

67 posted on 08/22/2002 4:26:53 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: one_particular_harbour
Bottom line is that the consuming public hates [the record companies].

Well, it seems everyone has learned well from the Democrats, if you want to steal from someone, you first demagogue them and then de-legitimize their rights. I just find it strangely fascinating to see so many on FR in lockstep with the Democrats mindset.

69 posted on 08/22/2002 4:52:04 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: Revolting cat!
Happy trolling and please say a big BAH-BYE from us to your employers the dinosaurs.

I'm hardly trolling. My statements are rooted in sincere belief and the principles of law. I'm not employed by a record company and haven't been for nearly 10 years.

70 posted on 08/22/2002 4:56:12 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
When you say "artist", you are of course referring to
the likes of Sophie Anne Mutter, Vladimir Ashkenazy, Renee Fleming, Jesse Norman...right?
71 posted on 08/22/2002 4:59:05 AM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: Axenolith
That was FUNNY!!!
73 posted on 08/22/2002 5:15:49 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: one_particular_harbour
when td refers to stealing from the artist, he's referring to the guys in the accounting departments of any RIAA member. Those artists can create anything from whole cloth.

Just so you know where I'm coming from (mostly so you'll quit imparting your own prejudice and assumptions), I'm no fan of the major record companies. I haven't been on a record company payroll for almost 10 years. I detest some of the standard practices of the record companies, both in the past and present. I am 100% an advocate for artists and writers. If they could make a career in the music business without the aid of record companies, I'd be all for it.

But sad to say, experience has taught me that record companies are a necessary part of the equation. They serve a function that most artists can't or don't want to do, namely all the unpleasant marketing and number crunching that left-brain people like artists are so averse to.

As much as everyone likes to fashion themselves as some kind of technological revolutionaries fighting the big bad record companies, when it comes down to it, when you deprive record companies their due profit, you're harming the artist. That's where I get pi$$ed off.

Most artists, Dave Mathews and Ani DiFranco being the rare exception, wouldn't have a career without the record companies.

74 posted on 08/22/2002 5:27:23 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
Please, I understand your anti-government principles, and I share them on most things. But there's a difference between limited government and anarchy. The government does have some legitimate roles, and enforcing the law against large scale (or any scale) theft is one of them.

Stupid laws are as dangerous as enforcing them. I would propose the change of the law - pirating software/media over internet would be a misdemeanor punishable by a small fine (like 10% of the market value) on condition of erasing the all copies of it. Perpetuator could agree to buy the official copy to avoid misdemeanor proceedings.

75 posted on 08/22/2002 5:36:44 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: tdadams
FWIW, I agree with you.

We are talking about copywrited material.
If it's public domain, that's one thing...go for it.
If the newest garage band wants to bypass the existing system and market by giving away (or selling) 'free samples' over the internet...more power to them.

But if you don't like they way the record companies do business...do what we have always done...send them a message....QUIT BUYING FROM THEM!

I got a call from my old (and still Democrat) college roommate. He said, "You've got DSL? Go here you can DL songs."
I said, "Is it legal?"
He laughed as if when has that ever stopped a liberal...power to the people and all that.

I want no part of it.

76 posted on 08/22/2002 5:53:29 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Terriergal
I find it humorous that they think they can catch people trading copyrighted material when they can't even catch Child Pornographers... Freenet is going to be really scary considering the Child Porn industry.

I fear you're right about the kiddie porn, and unfortunately Freenet does have a lot of that. However, the amount of kiddie porn being caught now by wiretaps and such is very small -- so what harm is done by having Freenet? Seems to me that most kiddie porn users are caught when someone finds the pictures on their PCs, right?
77 posted on 08/22/2002 6:12:04 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: eddie willers
Point by point, you got it exactly right. It's nice to see someone who gets it.
78 posted on 08/22/2002 6:17:47 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
I guess first I should try to fathom how you extrapolated this fantasy scenario

Unfortunately, attempts by the industry to prevent and criminalize various actions that fall squarely within the realm of fair use (e.g. ripping of CDs to hard disk in order to convert them to MP3s) are reality, not fantasy. The same is true of industry attempts to gain a legal license to hack computers and a legal prohibition on devices that do not incorporate rights-restriction technologies.

Sorry, but these actions have reduced my respect for even their legitimate bootlegging concerns to the same level as my respect for the national sovereignty of Afghanistan (as of October 2001).

79 posted on 08/22/2002 6:43:57 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Wm Bach
When you say "artist", you are of course referring to the likes of Sophie Anne Mutter...

Who? Oh you must be referring to Mrs. Andre Previn.

80 posted on 08/22/2002 6:46:22 AM PDT by andy_card
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