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Shroud of Turin tests miff scientists, religious scholars
AP Online ^ | 8-21-02 | ROXANA M. POPESCU

Posted on 08/21/2002 7:41:41 PM PDT by mjp

Shroud of Turin tests miff scientists, religious scholars

ROME (August 21, 2002 5:23 p.m. EDT) - Experts on the Shroud of Turin said Wednesday they felt frustrated and betrayed to learn a Swiss textile expert had obtained Vatican approval to test the sacred cloth without involvement from the international scientific community. The shroud is a strip of linen believers say was used to wrap the body of Jesus. Kept in the Cathedral of Turin, it is rarely displayed to the public.

Earlier this month, the Rome newspaper Il Messaggero said a well-known Swiss textile expert, Mechthild Flury-Lemberg, had begun tests on the cloth and, as part of the research, cut out 30 patches woven into it in the 16th century.

Flury-Lemberg confirmed then that she had received Vatican approval to perform the tests. But she has refused to say exactly what her work has entailed.

Some experts worry that in the absence of any oversight, she may have damaged the cloth. In the past, tests on the cloth have involved a large committee of international scientists.

"This one was limited strictly to certain favorites in Turin, and Flury-Lemberg was one," said the Rev. Albert Dreisbach, an Episcopalian minister who has been studying the shroud since 1977.

Flury-Lemberg said Wednesday she would release photographs of her research next month.

"There are so many wrong things in the press," she said by telephone from Bern, Switzerland. "Everyone's speculating. I don't want to give any news."

Cardinal Severino Poletto, the archbishop of Turin and the shroud's custodian, said in an interview with the Italian Catholic newspaper L'Avvenire that the Vatican approved the tests.

He would not discuss Flury-Lemberg's procedures except to say her work was carried out in accordance with two Vatican conditions: that there be unanimous consent of the members of the Conservation Commission for the Shroud, a small group of experts overseeing the cloth, and that the cultural authorities of the Italian government be informed.

Members of the commission could not be reached Wednesday.

Ilona Farkas, who has been following shroud research since 1976 but is not a commission member, said scientists are upset.

"It's scandalous," Farkas said from Rome. "There will be tons of protests arriving at the Vatican from scientists."

Paul Maloney, general projects director for the Association of Scientists and Scholars International for the Shroud of Turin, located in Pennsylvania, said the lack of information has "many of us around the world very frustrated, because we don't know how to assess what they have done."

Maloney, who is also not a member of the smaller commission, said experts fear "historically important information may be gone forever."

The cardinal said the research involved removing impurities and residue from the cloth, which is 13 feet long and three feet wide.

"The interventions have been carried out reservedly not out of a great desire for secrecy, but to guarantee the necessary calm for those who had to work, beside obvious reasons for safety," Poletto told L'Avennire.


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1 posted on 08/21/2002 7:41:41 PM PDT by mjp
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To: mjp
Read the Christ Clone Trilogy, they are excellent books. The first book "In His Image" is all about the shroud and is factual based upon actual research. A hint-the shroud produces a clone of Jesus and the books are about end times based on revelations. These books are better then the "Left Behind" series, I felt they were poorly written.
2 posted on 08/21/2002 7:45:59 PM PDT by seeker41
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To: RightOnline
What's this all about?
3 posted on 08/21/2002 7:46:14 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: mjp
Hers' a little about the author of the books

James BeauSeigneur, a former intelligence analyst for the National Security Agency and newspaper publisher, taught political science at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville, and in 1980 was the Republican nominee for U.S. Congress running against Al Gore. His published works include manuals on strategic defense and military avionics; newspaper articles; speeches for U.S. Congressional and Senatorial candidates; and lyrics for several published songs written with Timothy J. Ripley and Mark Ford.

4 posted on 08/21/2002 7:49:09 PM PDT by seeker41
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To: seeker41
the shroud produces a clone of Jesus

THATS...'wicked'!

5 posted on 08/21/2002 7:59:46 PM PDT by RCW2001
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To: Fred Mertz
***What's this all about?***

The international interests suspect they may be left out of a possible DNA profile or worse. I doubt the Vatican would even consider cloning....if such a thing could possibly be done.

The ability to apply new technology moves faster than we realise. I hope it doesn't move as fast as my imagination....

6 posted on 08/21/2002 8:02:24 PM PDT by martian_22
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To: RCW2001
It isn't what you think, I am a Christian and would not read something that blasphemed Christ. Remember, for every good thing Jesus does there is a evil counter-fitter. This book was recommended to me by other Christians who had read the "Left Behind" series as well. The plot is great and stays on scripture, the author is Christian and has even included footnotes with both biblical and factual references.
7 posted on 08/21/2002 8:05:51 PM PDT by seeker41
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To: Fred Mertz
See

http://www.shroud.com/

for details.

8 posted on 08/21/2002 8:07:16 PM PDT by AncientAirs
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To: seeker41
It's great to learn new information concerning the shroud. I was of the opinion that the shroud had been examined by two photographers and two scientists one from the University of Milan and one from Cal Poly. Their conclusion was that the shroud was a clever imaging that was common in the 13th cwntury. This imaging had survived in other forms (different cloth, etc.), but society at the time viewed it as "trash" and generally treated it as such. Thus only fragments of others remain. The Shroud at Turin was of a crusader and was encased in a sarcophagus thus preserving it from the elements.

Please advise.

9 posted on 08/21/2002 8:08:28 PM PDT by jackd
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To: mjp
Darn Dating!

It sounds like Rome has found someone who will tell them what they want to hear.

10 posted on 08/21/2002 8:12:35 PM PDT by Nebullis
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To: jackd
This would be plausible...if the Shroud wasn't a photonegative. Please explain how 13th Century charlatans came up with a photonegative on a piece of pigment-free cloth and I'll believe the non-"debunking" that was done in the '80s.
11 posted on 08/21/2002 8:15:28 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae
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To: Nebullis
Heh. One word. "UCAI".
12 posted on 08/21/2002 8:16:07 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae
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To: mjp
About the same time that the shroud was discovered, Saint Becky of Turin reported the theft of her beach towel.
13 posted on 08/21/2002 8:16:10 PM PDT by Consort
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To: HumanaeVitae
Tiberiou Caisaros

What's more, pollen identification of same plant from which crown of thorns was made!

14 posted on 08/21/2002 8:20:11 PM PDT by Nebullis
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To: jackd
You might some good info on the shroud Here
15 posted on 08/21/2002 8:28:07 PM PDT by seeker41
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To: Nebullis
Yep. And more than that. Like you care.
16 posted on 08/21/2002 8:29:39 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae
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To: Nebullis
 
It sounds like Rome has found someone who will tell them what they want to hear.
 

             BINGO

17 posted on 08/21/2002 8:31:44 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: seeker41
Meant to include the word "find"
18 posted on 08/21/2002 8:35:26 PM PDT by seeker41
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To: gcruse
Looks like atheists have found another piece of evidence to avoid.
19 posted on 08/21/2002 8:37:08 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae
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To: HumanaeVitae
I know this is asking a lot, but use your head.
Do you think, after the last set of tests failing
to make the shroud old enough, that the
Vatican secretly picked this new testing lab
for its objectivity?
20 posted on 08/21/2002 8:47:11 PM PDT by gcruse
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