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Too Young to Work: Do Child Labor Laws Go Too Far?
ABC News ^ | 08/09/2002 | John Stossel

Posted on 08/22/2002 7:58:33 AM PDT by sheltonmac

The Labor Department has been raiding workplaces for years, looking for children working illegally. They almost always find what they are looking for.

The law says no child under 14 may hold a job. And there are strict rules about 16-year-olds. The laws were passed in the 1930s to protect children who might be exploited by factories, or forced to work by their families.

But when we watched the bureaucrats at work these days, we didn't see "victims" who wanted rescue.

In Georgia, a newspaper caught a minor league baseball team, the Savannah Cardinals, with an underage batboy.

"The day the story was published, the Labor Department was at my front door," remembers Rick Sisler, the team's general manager. Your tax dollars at work.

The crime? Some baseball games last later than 7 p.m., and the child labor laws say that a child under 16 may not work that late on school nights.

So was this batboy being exploited? He didn't think so. "I was disappointed that somebody would take somebody's dream away like this," said the boy, 14-year-old Tommy McCoy.

Why stop him? If it's terrible for him to be at the ballpark past 7 p.m., then how come it's OK for so many little kids to watch the game?

When the batboy was fired there was so much publicity that the Department of Labor, intervened. Tommy lucked out and was reinstated.

Special Breaks for Actors and Baby-Sitters?

Child actors luck out, too. The Labor Department gives them a special exemption. Farm workers, too and — get this — wreath-makers. But is that how the law should work? Give special breaks to some?

Isn't something off here? Kids routinely baby-sit until 10 p.m., if not midnight. They do yard work and deliver newspapers. Isn't this good for them?

Some businesses are eager for workers. Many kids are hanging around after school, bored stiff. Wouldn't it be better if they did some work, say at Wendy's? But they can't — Wendy's won't hire anyone younger than 16. Why? Because Labor Department regulations require so much time-consuming record-keeping, plus a risk of a big fine if you make a mistake, that Wendy's says it's safer just not to hire young people.

The Labor Department says it is "committed to modernizing child labor laws." Good. I don't see how the current rules help kids.

In Snowmass, Colo., a grocery store used to hire kids to bag groceries, sometimes to carry them to people's cars. It was never more than a few hours a week. But when someone brought up the child labor laws, the kids were immediately fired.

"I was really sad because, I mean, they're not, like, putting us in sweatshops and making us work," said 12-year-old Joey Stokes, one of the kids who was fired. "I mean, we wanted to do this."

Their parents supported their working.

"They let a child that's 12 years old baby-sit, be responsible for younger children. So why can't they bag somebody's groceries? There's something wrong with that picture," said Leslie Boyer, one of the parents.

And after the kids were fired, how did they use their time?

"I've just been sitting at home, you know," said Stokes, laughing. "There's nothing really better to do in the summertime."

"I don't think the government should be able to tell us if our kids can work or not," said his mother, Staci. Good point. Our government should decide what's best for every kid and every parent? Give me a break!


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1 posted on 08/22/2002 7:58:33 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: ppaul; ex-snook; kidd; Snuffington; Inspector Harry Callahan; JohnHuang2; GeronL; sauropod; ...
John Stossel BUMP.
2 posted on 08/22/2002 7:59:02 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: sheltonmac
Kids, especially boys, need to work.
That is why there has been an explosion in juvenile crime.
The government's answer? Juvenile Justice statutes and more prisons.
Let 'em work!
Instead, we have adults running newspaper routes now.
3 posted on 08/22/2002 8:03:17 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: sheltonmac
We have home schooled children. These outdated laws created headaches for us too.

My 17 year old wanted to work at McDonald's. He couldn't without "working papers" from the state. It wasn't enough to show the birth certificate to the employer. The state forces us to show it at the local high school to accomplish the same thing. They look at the birth certificate and issue a "working papers".

But home schoolers to a larger extent have nothing to do with the public schools. They shouldn't be put through this unneccessary step because of outdated laws. This is just another NEA and "system" supported loophole.

Time to let the work force and employers alone to do their own thing.
4 posted on 08/22/2002 8:07:00 AM PDT by George from New England
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To: ppaul
Hey, can't have kids up in the wee hours earning money, now. it's just not fair! Gooberment's all about what's fair and right, dontchaknow.... get a grip here. Our gooberment wouldn't do anything that would harm us or our kids, now would they? They wouldn't, like, shoot 'em in the back or burn 'em alive or anything and they would be so kindly as to be sure their parents always and without fail do right by the kids. I mean it's always all about the chilluns, you know. Forget the adults, they are forbidden to do anything that gooberment wouldn't allow chilluns to do...
5 posted on 08/22/2002 8:13:44 AM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: dcwusmc
My 14 year old daughter is very mature and serious for her age and a hard worker. She can cook, clean, wash cars, groom dogs AND horses, mow lawns, and is learning to sew and do light carpentry. I have often told her (and it's true) that she is as good a help to me as any adult could be.

She wanted so badly to work this summer as an assistant to our veterinarian (who has looked after our animals since 1973). She is a dab hand with dogs, cats, and horses. They all love her and do anything she asks. But the vet can't hire anybody under 16!

On the other hand, I can't see these kids sitting home doing nothing. My 11 year old son by his own unaided efforts got a job doing yard work for a neighbor. He is thrilled with the money, and I am thrilled that a kid with serious learning disabilities and ADHD went out and got a job and stuck with it!

6 posted on 08/22/2002 8:21:17 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: sheltonmac
Forget school. Send them to work and let them marry at 14. College ,whats that?
7 posted on 08/22/2002 8:29:12 AM PDT by Captain Shady
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To: sheltonmac
No work.

Fat.

Television( liberal/brat box )

Lazy.

Useless.

Clueless.

No pride.=

The next democrat.

8 posted on 08/22/2002 8:30:28 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: sheltonmac
Relaxing child labor laws is just the start. We need to abolish compulsory education laws (isn't doing homework, labor?). When my nephew was 13 and about 6' tall, he had a bad attitude toward everything, including school. I felt that he'd be a lot better off, if he left school and went to work. In a year or two, he'd have a lot better attitude about the value of education. What would he lose? 2 years of worthless education, where he makes almost zero progress. He'd certainly get an education working at Burger King.
9 posted on 08/22/2002 8:43:57 AM PDT by Kermit
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The next democrat

ROTFLMAO

10 posted on 08/22/2002 8:49:17 AM PDT by paul51
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To: AnAmericanMother; A CA Guy
Aren't you really HAPPY that fedgov and your state are taking such good care of your kids for you? I mean, let's face it: YOU CANNOT BE TRUSTED to look out for the best interests of your chilluns. You are only their mother. So sorry, but we MUST have more gooberment protection for your kids. After all, the FemiNazis and assorted JBTs know so much better than you! Even A CA guy or KC or CJ know better than you how to take care of your kids (but I guess I am redundant here)...
11 posted on 08/22/2002 8:59:15 AM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: Kermit
"We need to abolish compulsory education laws..."

I agree 110 percent!

12 posted on 08/22/2002 9:05:34 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: AnAmericanMother
My son was apprenticed from quite young in an auto shop. He has severe learning disabilities, but this was an area of giftedness for him. His abilities with a car were an area of great self esteem for him when other kids made fun of him because he couldn't spell. He worked with grown men who had confidence in his abilities and because of this he never worried about what "stupid kids" thought of him. Now he is 18 and all set up for a great future.

If the state had stepped in they would have destroyed him. I thank God for the good business owner who taught him all these things and gave him all these opportunities. And yes, we still continue tutoring him even now in his reading and writing, so he is not lacking with that. In my opinion the child labor laws have caused as much damage to our culture as the public school system. Children need to work in some manner. The schools do NOT prepare kids for the future.

13 posted on 08/22/2002 9:08:15 AM PDT by I still care
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To: sheltonmac
I started work at age 13, the same year I started asking for certain clothes for school in addition to the ones I already had. The child labor laws are an FDR era communist manifestation, a way of further impoverishing people already unable to feed their families due to FDR's meddling in the economy.

FDR's memory should be cursed rather than praised. He was our first communist president and did more to destroy our form of government than anyone before him since Lincoln.

14 posted on 08/22/2002 9:44:48 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Captain Shady
Not so fast. I know a number of young men who should have been apprenticing with a mechanic or carpenter by age 14 rather than being humiliated in high school because they couldn't make it thru Catcher In The Rye.

Education is extremely distorted by public funding. The bias is all towards college-prep. Students with mediocre grades in English Lit and Algebra are steered toward community college where they get some two-year degree in "business management." Then they go to work for some copy service.

15 posted on 08/22/2002 10:56:43 AM PDT by SteamshipTime
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To: Twodees
Ha! Now you've got me started!

Lincoln, Wilson, F Roosevelt, and LBJ condemned us all to slavery. The old Republic is a distant, fading dream.

16 posted on 08/22/2002 11:04:49 AM PDT by SteamshipTime
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To: Captain Shady
Forget school. Send them to work and let them marry at 14. College ,whats that?

What kind of stupid remark is that? Are you assuming that because kids want to learn to work hard and earn money rather than sit around and be bored they have no future?

Let the families and businesses decide for themselves. I have never noticed work interfering in education - usually it helps the kids learn responsibility.

The labor laws are poorly written, poorly understood and are really not helpful.

17 posted on 08/22/2002 11:25:30 AM PDT by The Californian
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To: SteamshipTime; I still care
Amen!

I would like to see my son work through his learning disabilities, and we have him in a special school that works with LD and ADHD kids. Lots of one on one tutoring, and the school allows the kids to move around an open classroom and do "hands on" work rather than have to sit still in a desk and listen to a teacher drone on for 5+ hours.

But he is very clever with his hands, and if he can't manage college level academics I will be very pleased to see him learn a trade and earn his own living in a way that gives him pleasure. Not sure yet whether he will go with auto repair, carpentry, or one of the other building trades, but he'll find his niche.

People are too focussed on college prep -- there ought to be decent trade schools to teach kids who can't/won't/shouldn't do college the skills they need to open their own shop in whatever trade they choose. Basic business correspondence, bookkeeping, and the finer points of their trade. Why not? Most of my ancestors on one side were small tradesmen, shoemakers and tailors and so forth. (The other side were all Alabama dirt farmers with a few merchants and cotton factors mixed in).

18 posted on 08/22/2002 11:36:25 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: SteamshipTime; I still care
Amen!

I would like to see my son work through his learning disabilities, and we have him in a special school that works with LD and ADHD kids. Lots of one on one tutoring, and the school allows the kids to move around an open classroom and do "hands on" work rather than have to sit still in a desk and listen to a teacher drone on for 5+ hours.

But he is very clever with his hands, and if he can't manage college level academics I will be very pleased to see him learn a trade and earn his own living in a way that gives him pleasure. Not sure yet whether he will go with auto repair, carpentry, or one of the other building trades, but he'll find his niche.

People are too focussed on college prep -- there ought to be decent trade schools to teach kids who can't/won't/shouldn't do college the skills they need to open their own shop in whatever trade they choose. Basic business correspondence, bookkeeping, and the finer points of their trade. Why not? Most of my ancestors on one side were small tradesmen, shoemakers and tailors and so forth. (The other side were all Alabama dirt farmers with a few merchants and cotton factors mixed in).

19 posted on 08/22/2002 11:37:18 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: AnAmericanMother
Oh, dang. Sorry about the double post, my computer developed the "yips".
20 posted on 08/22/2002 11:40:00 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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