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Finally! A Journalist who makes sense!
1 posted on 08/23/2002 5:39:19 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; red-dawg; ...
Yes Sir! I LIKE this article!!!!


2 posted on 08/23/2002 5:40:21 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
That's a bookmark.
9 posted on 08/23/2002 5:59:50 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: SheLion
Great article. I went to get my medical checkup to day and told the doctor about the Supreme Court decision concerning second hand smoke. He said he wasn't concerned with second-hand smoke, only first-hand smoke. I told him I've been smoking a pack a day for the last 62 (sixty two) years, so he sent me over to get an x-ray with a sheet of paper on it identifying me as a smoking abuser. When I go back, I'm going to ask him if he identifies people who are overweight as food abusers. Will let you know what the x-rays show. In the meantime, do you have any studies on first-hand smoke I can bone up on? Thanks... Dave
10 posted on 08/23/2002 6:00:51 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: SheLion
The only think that bothers me about smoke is that having asthma, being in a room with smokers literally takes my breath away. I have to leave.
But, just for the record..I have told off 2 petitioners asking me to sign to ban smoking. I told them "NO ..leave the smokers alone!"....even though I can't be around them in closed in places.
18 posted on 08/23/2002 6:09:49 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: SheLion
Puffer propaganda.
24 posted on 08/23/2002 6:16:02 PM PDT by BushMeister
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To: SheLion
Just got it via e-mail from Roxxon, have it printed already. :-}
33 posted on 08/23/2002 6:29:29 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: SheLion
Anybody who believes that cigarette smoke is not dangerous (especially when it comes off the end of cig and not through the filter) is a total dumbass.
37 posted on 08/23/2002 6:34:43 PM PDT by Dawgs of War
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"...because anti-smoking radicals, who tend to be like anti-abortion radicals in their zealous devotion to the cause..."

HEY SMOKERS - notice the guy takes a dig at pro-lifers as well.

Also - people were talking about second hand smoke long before Hillary showed up.

And for those that doubt the harmful effects of cigs, will you at least admit that it is not good for the skin - and makes the teeth look pretty unattractive?

To me it is just another disgusting vice. You can pay 8 bucks a pack and do it if you want - just don't expose me to it. Does anyone not think that airplanes are far better places because they don't allow smoking on them anymore? And as a former firefighter, I can say that I worked on several jobs - both fatal and nonfatal, where cigarettes were the cause.

68 posted on 08/23/2002 7:18:04 PM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy
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Non-smoker LOL.

The facts be damned. The crusade will go on.

73 posted on 08/23/2002 7:21:12 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SheLion
Bookmarking
75 posted on 08/23/2002 7:23:22 PM PDT by carpio
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To: SheLion
MEMO FROM HILLARY CLINTON

To: Bill

Date: Several Year Ago

RE: Big Tobacco

Bill, this is much better than Whitewater and property flipping or cattle futures. Pretty simple, we make what I call "Big Tobacco" out to be evil. Just make up all sorts of stuff bad about them. It will be a piece of cake.

I have several of the Dem. state attorney general's in on this one. They will get together and sue the tobacco companies. He he. Form a whole new little gov't gang.

But, and this is killer, they will hire out the litigation to our various trial lawyer buddies. Who will take a chunk of the money and send it back to us in soft money donations and to various NGO's who will make donations to us. And to something else I have in mind. It's called Hilpac. More on that later.

This is such a cool way to take money out of the %#&&@%&# saps pockets.

Hillary

PS - I'm thinking about running for senate.

84 posted on 08/23/2002 7:37:52 PM PDT by isthisnickcool
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To: SheLion
This guy nailed it in the first couple of paragraphs. The words "zealots" springs to mind. I'm a scientist, we prove, or disprove hypothesis with solid, researched, and peer reviewed facts. We do that to advance the knowledge of man to serve man, and dispell myths and lies & confusion. In order to be a "scientist" you must leave all of your ideals & beliefs at the door of the lab. You must take a strong tack that deals in science and pure logic. I can tell you that I have run up some blind alleys that I thought would change the world, but I had to write them up honestly, and without bias. Then again, I've had wonderful accomplishments by doing the very same things (and they were proven, and peer reviewed, denoting a fact that proved the hypothesis).

When I see this kind of crap I wonder where the funding came from (research ain't cheap). The second hand smoke argument got the file thirteen a long time ago in a Federal court. The few, and biased (un-peer reviewed, undocumented, and weakly..poorly done) studies were thrown out of the court into the trash can that they so richly deserved. They have been PROVEN to be lies, unsubstantiated glods of written words and useless statistics. Yet the socialist/elistists that don't like people doing a freedom thing, blasts it across the airways and the print media like it's the truth from heaven, and they use these disproven, charlantanic studies to bolster thier claims. Amazing, simply amazing!

When people start disbelieving the logical science that will save them and believe the charlatans that would enslave them, what can the scientist do. I'll fight the charlatans, I guess, I've got no choice, I've done it all my life.

111 posted on 08/23/2002 8:00:19 PM PDT by timydnuc
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To: SheLion
*applause*
127 posted on 08/23/2002 8:25:58 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: SheLion
Finally! A Journalist who makes sense!

I agree--not that it will make the slightest bit of difference. I quit paying attention to "scientific studies" years ago when it became obvious that they were mostly engineered to permit a predetermined conclusion. In fact, I have very little use for groups like the CDC, the Red Cross, the AMA, and the American Heart Association. Even things like advanced life support protocols are routinely changed every 2 years, most likely on the basis of which drug companies provide the best payoffs or phoney studies.

The only real factor that is likely to help in taking off the oppressive tax is the realization that the economy is unlikely to really recover as long as governments are siphoning off the "discretionary" spending power of 20% of the population. Many of those who thought they were being so clever by shoving the tax bill off onto smokers will find themselves out of a job. Kind of neat how they'll reap what the sow :)

190 posted on 08/23/2002 10:23:58 PM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: SheLion
One point must be kept in mind:

Smoking Bans are not about your Health ... they are about Controlling your Life in yet another way.

212 posted on 08/24/2002 9:16:27 AM PDT by bimbo
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What Bloomberg wants to do in NY, California already does. There is a moronic bill before the state to increase the age of cigarettes to 21!!!, they can't stop underage smoking now, or drinking and illegal drugs but man-o-man they want to stop the Marlboros.

Furthrmore they want to increase the tax $3.00 a pack.(have to help the deficit you know), with the logic of the libs, we stop kids from smoking, we raise the taxes per pack so that we can put that money in the general fund then we can have more programs, gee, wonder what would happen if the cigarettes sales took a downward trend, wonder what they would tax next?, don't say booze they decided against that.

259 posted on 08/24/2002 12:19:00 PM PDT by Burlem
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but in some of the studies there was actually a NEGATIVE result, indicating that non-smoking spouses of smokers are LESS likely to get a serious disease.

Hormesis as a Biological Hypothesis:A low dose of something (best documented for radiation), that is harmful at high doses, can be beneficial.

286 posted on 08/25/2002 9:03:18 AM PDT by FairWitness
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To: SheLion
Good find!
309 posted on 08/25/2002 10:31:37 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: SheLion
Bump to read later ...
357 posted on 08/25/2002 10:21:56 PM PDT by Bill Rice
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To: SheLion
A fine article (dare I say "A breath of fresh air"? :))...and I don't smoke.
359 posted on 08/26/2002 2:43:41 AM PDT by jejones
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