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Discover's ice age talk is chilling
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | Thursday, August 22, 2002 | Bill Steigerwald

Posted on 08/25/2002 9:42:27 AM PDT by Willie Green

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:02:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

You probably havenīt heard the news about the new ice age.

Itīll only be a small one. It wonīt put a 2-mile thick cap of ice over our home continentīs head like the last biggie did 12,000 years ago, so Montrealīs major league baseball franchise is safe.


(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: globalwarming

1 posted on 08/25/2002 9:42:27 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Lil'freeper
So am I toast from global warming or an ice cube from the new ice age?

2 posted on 08/25/2002 9:45:58 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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To: Willie Green
On a scale of what most likely will kill me, global warming or global cooling are at the bottom.

5.56mm

3 posted on 08/25/2002 9:48:05 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Willie Green
The chicken little mantra of global warming has run it's course so the new ice age that they wore out in the 50s and 60s is going to be the new threat since most of the population is too young to have been around the last time, are already dead, or their brains no longer function.
4 posted on 08/25/2002 9:48:35 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: big'ol_freeper
You'll be a toasty ice-man.
5 posted on 08/25/2002 9:48:47 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Willie Green
I once placed a TIME magazine cover on the bottom of my bird cage and within 24-hours the bird had died of constipation.

Given its content, TIME will eventually perish for the same reason.

6 posted on 08/25/2002 9:59:51 AM PDT by jigsaw
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To: Willie Green
!!!EXTRA!!! !!!EXTRA!!!
Stop the presses!

GLOBAL WARMING CAUSING NEW ICE AGE

We're all going to die and it's all your fault. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

In other news, Monica is getting another makeover...

7 posted on 08/25/2002 10:01:52 AM PDT by Salman
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To: Willie Green
After 60 pages, there is a little sidebar on Bjorn Lomborg, best-selling author of "The Skeptical Environmentalist" who argues, as the late Julian Simon did, that worries about deforestation, species extinction and global warming are deliberately exaggerated and based on bad science.

I read the article and saw it for the nonsense it was right away. A lot of people, unfortunately, uncritically believe anything they read in a magazine. Never read Lomborg's book. Anyone here read it? Is it worth getting a hold of?

8 posted on 08/25/2002 10:05:19 AM PDT by rockprof
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To: Willie Green
So what happened to global warming? I was hoping all the glaciers would melt, and the polar icecaps would float out to sea, exposing millions of acres of new lands in a temperate heat zone, and general greening of the entire planet. But NOOOOOO. Now the warming theory is being kicked out the door, and we shall all have to huddle near the Equator, shuttling back and forth on the narrow band of open water between the polar ice floes.
9 posted on 08/25/2002 10:07:24 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: Willie Green
Come on ice age! ***** swelter swelter **** sweat sweat ******* (Those little marks are snow flakes)
10 posted on 08/25/2002 10:08:08 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Willie Green
Actually, this article is a really poor presentation of very legitimate science that is coming out of far more places thanP��*Krary to media appearances, scientists in Europe and Asia have been all over this catastrophic cooling trend for some time, and the Woods Hole guys are late to the party. IMHO and the opinion of many other scientists I actually respect, this theory has way more validity than the global warming hysteria. Also, unlike global warming, the models they are using have some predictive value and there is evidence that the transition is already in motion, evidence that is well above the noise floor as such things go (unlike global warming). The exact impact on the climate is speculative, but not totally unfounded either.

The climate has never been stable, and I've subscribed to the rapid cooling trend model as the best hypothesis for some time now. You can dismiss it, but if you had to pick a team to play for, this would be my choice.

11 posted on 08/25/2002 10:13:24 AM PDT by tortoise
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To: big'ol_freeper; Larry Lucido
Or as a physicist once said regarding an "average" statistic: If you have one foot in a bucket of boiling water and one foot in a bucket of ice water, on average you should be comfortable.
12 posted on 08/25/2002 10:15:23 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: rockprof
I read the article and saw it for the nonsense it was right away. A lot of people, unfortunately, uncritically believe anything they read in a magazine. Never read Lomborg's book. Anyone here read it? Is it worth getting a hold of?

Yes, an entertaining and fact filled read.

13 posted on 08/25/2002 10:18:26 AM PDT by Politically Correct
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To: Willie Green
Does this mean I won't have to go all the way from Oklahoma to Colorado to go skiing? We've got plenty of hills, here, and it has always struck me as a waste that we get about enough snow to screw up traffic for a few days each winter...
14 posted on 08/25/2002 10:27:19 AM PDT by jonascord
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To: tortoise

The 'Little Ice Age' was from 1300-1855AD.

15 posted on 08/25/2002 10:36:33 AM PDT by blam
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To: Willie Green
The shutdown of the Gulf Stream is a real event whose results can be historically documented. If Gulf Stream flow decreases the east coast of N. America could get a climate like Kamchatka and Europe much worse.
16 posted on 08/25/2002 10:36:46 AM PDT by Mike Darancette
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To: big'ol_freeper
So am I toast from global warming or an ice cube from the new ice age?

With those ears and short coat you had better either be praying for global warming or be moving south.

a.cricket

17 posted on 08/25/2002 10:38:44 AM PDT by another cricket
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To: Willie Green
The notion of another Little Ice Age is intriguing. When I was growing up in Pennsylvania (and praying for deep snows and long winters) I couldn't understand why it never seemed very cold or very snowy. I'd look at the paintings of Grandma Moses and Currier & Ives and see all these big snowdrifts and frozen ponds and horse drawn sleighs and wonder what happened to all the snow? At the time I'd never heard of the Little Ice Age that gripped Europe and the United states between 1500 and 1900. All I knew was that I'd hear a song like "Over the River and Through the Woods to Grandmother's house we go..." and they'd be talking about taking a sleigh ride through the woods for Thanksgiving dinner and I'd look out my front window on Thanksgiving and there never was any snow. We were lucky to get it by Christmas. In that painting of Washington crossing the Delaware his coat is shown navigating through chunks of ice. I've seen etchings of the Thames in London, frozen over so solid it was filled with small shops and market stalls.
18 posted on 08/25/2002 10:46:38 AM PDT by DentsRun
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To: Willie Green
Wait. The above description, facts and effects of the coming ice age — taken with care from Discover magazine´s September cover story, "The New Ice Age" — are accurate.

I love science fiction.
Only not today.

Anybody who would make a prediction (as a flat statement) on the subject is a certifiable idiot ---- I don't care what publication it's published in.

The main characteristic of climate over the entire history of the planet is its constant, complex and infinite variablility.

19 posted on 08/25/2002 10:53:21 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: rockprof
Never read Lomborg's book. Anyone here read it? Is it worth getting a hold of?

Yes and yes.
The most convincing, and intellectually satisfying books are those where the author sets out to prove or compile documentation for the opposite of what he actually finds.

20 posted on 08/25/2002 10:57:18 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: big'ol_freeper; Willie Green
Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To know that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.

Robert Frost
1923

21 posted on 08/25/2002 11:06:42 AM PDT by egarvue
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To: Willie Green
"It also means massive losses for agriculture, big-time deforestation problems..."

Hmmm. Then the best thing we can do is try to get our global CO2 level as high as we can. The higher the CO2 the faster and healthier our agriculture grows. Also needs far less water, which helps with the need for water.

22 posted on 08/25/2002 11:17:37 AM PDT by TheLooseThread
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To: Willie Green
The theory is reasonable. The Gulf Stream only flows so long as it is salty enough so that it sinks when cooled, and then flows south along the Atlantic Ocean floor. Too much fresh water, as when glacial lakes suddenly started to drain east via the St Lawrence gulf instead of south via the rivers, dilutes the Gulf Stream and shuts it off. I would expect the effect on Europe to be much greater than the eastern US, since Europe is so much farther north. Note that Lisbon is straight east of New York.

I'm not sure whether the shutting down of the Gulf Stream by itself causes a new Ice Age. One conjecture is that during an Ice Age, the Arctic Ocean must be ice free. This allows evaporation from its surface, so that prevailing winds can carry the moisture south over Canada and Europe where it snows heavily. Currently, the Canadian north recieves very little precipitation. It's roughly like the desert areas of the US southwest, except that the cold temperatures prevent evaporation. For glaciers to form, it is only necessary that more snow falls in the winters than melts in the summers; not that it be particularly cold.

23 posted on 08/25/2002 11:44:32 AM PDT by Lessismore
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To: Willie Green
Discover is a Disney product and degenerated into unbelieveablity. They publish only the party (DNC) line. They sometimes print an article arguing the other side, but always trash the scientists involved.

They are going broke also. There advertising....number of add pages has decreased to very few.

Discover is like Time or Newsweek or any of the other leftist publications. They exist to propagandize.

24 posted on 08/25/2002 2:52:09 PM PDT by bert
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