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1 posted on 08/26/2002 9:13:07 AM PDT by narses
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2 posted on 08/26/2002 9:15:52 AM PDT by narses
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The poorer countries are doing vastly more damage to the environment than the richer countries. And they have little choice. It's either pollute, or starve.
4 posted on 08/26/2002 9:25:48 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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Uh-oh. I get nervous when I see the words "Vatican" and "Environment" in the same sentence.
5 posted on 08/26/2002 9:37:45 AM PDT by livius
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"The richer countries must take a serious look at their lifestyle, which is consuming an inordinate share of the goods of the earth.

This is the liberal, Democrat line.

The goods of the earth are not "zero sum." Why doesn't the Vatican ever stress the importance of free-market systems in making a bigger pie, thus affording more for everybody?

6 posted on 08/26/2002 9:49:26 AM PDT by sinkspur
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addressing concrete problems, including population growth, ...

Population growth is not a "problem". See how insidiously the zeitgeist infects even the minds of those who should know better?

7 posted on 08/26/2002 9:49:54 AM PDT by Romulus
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The present destruction of the environment is only one aspect of a profound moral crisis.

No, the real profound moral crisis is the spreading of lies and half-truths that is the main tool of the envirosocialist movement that is apparently infecting the Church as well. I am also saddened that the Church felt it necessary to time a response to the Socialist Summit in the South. I suspect they did so in an attempt to pre-respond to calls for population control, but the rest of the position presented in this brief article will only provide support for more population control.

12 posted on 08/26/2002 10:20:17 AM PDT by kidd
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Marjorie Keenan, a semi-retired U.S. official of the Second Vatican Council wrote a new Vatican book.

The Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace published the book, an overview of church teaching on environmental issues.

Official Catholic teaching on the environment is based on the belief that creation is a gift of God that must be protected, used responsibly and shared equitably, said a new Vatican book.

Does the utopian Marxism in this book reflect the author, the publisher or the entire Corporation ?

This treatise is founded on the belief that G-d does not exist and this Corporation is in charge!

2Ch. 7:14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble
themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their
wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive
their sin and will heal their land.

chuck <truth@Y'shuaHaMashiach>

13 posted on 08/26/2002 10:36:58 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012
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31 posted on 08/26/2002 12:22:55 PM PDT by madfly
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Sorry, this is not exactly an inspired output. It looks more like it was written by a communist Vatican bureaucrat than it does an inspired application of the Word of God:

-- "All of creation has a value in its own right.

This is the first tenet of Deep Ecology, an atheist and anti-human thesis. How about, all creation ultimately belongs to the Creator? Think about it.

-- "The goods of the earth are a unique patrimony of all of humanity.

This commonizes all resources. That's right, it's communism.

-- "Their distribution must be regulated by justice and accompanied by love.

Who says what constitutes justice? Where does private property fit into this?

-- "Nature is a mirror reflecting the covenant of all of creation, centered in the human person, with the creator.

My recommendation is that he go back and read Leviticus 26. Last time I recall, that was "Creator."

-- "The present high rate of consumption and pollution is not tolerable.

How does he know? Upon what basis is this assertion supported? He is refuting God's promise that to be fruitful and multiply will bring forth a garden in the world.

-- "Science and technology have contributed much to progress. However, there are moral limits to their use and applications, among which (is) their effect on the environment.

Who decides what are to be those limits?

-- "The present destruction of the environment is only one aspect of a profound moral crisis.

He should read The Skeptical Environmentalist. I don't think that this statement is supportable. Such destruction as there is is due to socialising resources into commons, yet that is precisely his preference as stated above.

-- "The richer countries must take a serious look at their lifestyle, which is consuming an inordinate share of the goods of the earth.

Who is to produce the wealth with which to lift the poor? Technology stands to provide the means to do it. That requires capital which is derived from stored wealth. Is he saying that he knows better how it should be done? Has income redistribution worked?

-- "As regards the protection of the environment, the complex and widely diverse question of population growth is one fact among several to be taken into consideration.

As opposed to "be fruitful and multiply?" This is almost blasphemy. I'm sorry, but this shows very little understanding of the mechanics of global carrying capacity.

-- "Great care must be taken in any form of genetic manipulation, which must be ruled by ethical norms."

How about full accountability for error through pooled risk capital and civil liability instead?

33 posted on 08/26/2002 12:39:07 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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As regards the protection of the environment, the complex and widely diverse question of population growth is one fact among several to be taken into consideration.

Population growth. A term frequently associated with birth control and abortion. An interesting thing coming from a Vatican book.

43 posted on 08/26/2002 2:59:50 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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