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Fall from Grace: Arming America and the Bellesiles Scandal
Yale Law Journal ^ | 4/26/2002 | James Lindgren

Posted on 08/27/2002 12:05:50 PM PDT by ArcLight

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To: AnAmericanMother
Perhaps shame is the wrong emotion. But certainly, I would think, embarassment and not a little anger at having been used so effortlessly by this obvious fraud.
21 posted on 08/27/2002 2:22:15 PM PDT by borkrules
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To: ArcLight
A very long and utterly devastating read. Thanks for linking it. From the article:

…In the earlier colonial period, Gloria Main and Anna Hawley both found more guns than tables or chairs or stools. When men could afford to buy a gun, they did. This suggests either that they were very useful tools or that they had an important social meaning (for example, to reinforce their owners’ masculinity or provide peace of mind) – or both.

I note here that the author's antigun bias lingers; the idea that reinforcing one's masculinity ranks in importance with keeping one's scalp attached is a little arch for my taste. We get a repetition of this every time an anti-gun zealot suggests that gun ownership is compensation for some deep underlying psychological pathology - it's so deeply ingrained in their concept of firearms ownership that they never question it.

This is one of the final paragraphs of the article, and I pass it along without comment because none is needed:

The book and the scandal it generated are hard to understand. How could Bellesiles count guns in about a hundred Providence wills that never existed, count guns in San Francisco County inventories that were apparently destroyed in 1906, report national means that are mathematically impossible, change the condition of guns in a way that fits his thesis, misreport the counts of guns in censuses or militia reports, have over a 60% error rate in finding guns in Vermont estates, and have a 100% error rate in finding homicide cases in the Plymouth records he cites? We may never know the truth of why or how Arming America made such basic errors, but make them it did.

Whew...

22 posted on 08/27/2002 2:53:16 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: AnAmericanMother
To my added shame, not only am I a lawyer...

I have always said, "Lawyers are like guns, you can get rid of all of them, just take mine last."

23 posted on 08/27/2002 2:57:51 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim
AAM: To my added shame, not only am I a lawyer...

TS: I have always said, "Lawyers are like guns, you can get rid of all of them, just take mine last."

Lawyers are like handguns -- everyone claims to hate them, until they suddenly need one!"

24 posted on 08/27/2002 3:49:06 PM PDT by Rytwyng
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To: Tijeras_Slim
"just take mine last."

Do you remember that really good article that was on FR about a year ago? The author told the anti to take his gun. Don't send someone else to do it. The anti should do it. He should have the courage of his convictions. Don't send a police officer or soldier. If the anti-gun person has the stupidity that he thinks that guns in the hands of lawabiding citizens are the problem then he should be the one having the courage to go door to door. Don't send someone to support his beliefs.

It was a great article. I don't know who wrote it.

25 posted on 08/27/2002 4:25:34 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: ArcLight
Bookmarked in the fervent hope that someone will be so foolish as to cite Bellesiles in my presence...
26 posted on 08/27/2002 6:54:19 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: TC Rider
I guess he didn't want to be called a "foaming at the mouth, racist, intolerant, homophobic, insensitive, gun loving, right wing, extremist conservative".

You forgot "hater", as in "he's a hater", or "he's a hater from way back."

27 posted on 08/27/2002 9:32:43 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: AnAmericanMother
The fact that Emory is stalling this debate and trying to whitewash even so blatant a cheat and fraud as this horrendous book, instead of debating whether to drop Belleisles off the top of Woodruff Library or tie him to the Seaboard tracks down at the railroad depot, is proof enough for me. :-D

Does the leadership at Emory actually think they can drag this out so long that the gun nuts like me would actually forget about it?

28 posted on 08/27/2002 9:38:19 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: big ern; AnAmericanMother
Does the leadership at Emory actually think...

LOL

The longer the "review" committe takes, the more the personal stench from Belleisles starts to linger on the Emory faculty.

29 posted on 08/28/2002 6:39:28 AM PDT by Drango
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To: Drango; big ern
I'd say the residents of the City of Decatur (which is down the prevailing wind from Emory) are starting to sniff the air and wrinkle their noses . . .

Guess I'll have to write the History chairman again. You'd think he'd take SOME notice of an alumna, wouldn't you? Maybe he's getting a large volume of mail, or maybe he's just too embarassed to write back.

30 posted on 08/28/2002 6:54:38 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: Rytwyng; Tijeras_Slim
Ain't it the truth!

When you need a lawyer, all them lawyer jokes ain't so funny no more . . . :-D

Unfortunately, the rotten, greedy, & incompetent lawyers seem to get all the press. Nobody ever says anything about the foot soldiers who do just ordinary garden variety legal work, represent their clients well, and don't get paid a whole lot of money. No excitement in that, I guess. And of course the decent lawyers suffer the most from the jack-legs, 'cause we have to deal with them every day and they annoy us as much as they annoy everybody else. Plus we get tarred with their brush to boot!

31 posted on 08/28/2002 6:59:16 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: AnAmericanMother
Guess I'll have to write the History chairman again. You'd think he'd take SOME notice of an alumna, wouldn't you? Maybe he's getting a large volume of mail, or maybe he's just too embarassed to write back.

When you write the History chairman, you may want to cc the Alumni Department, you know the ones that are always begging for money. They won't ignore you.

32 posted on 08/28/2002 7:44:02 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: TC Rider
...you may want to cc the Alumni Department...

I say CC the local newspaper and let the bright light of publicity shine where the sun don't.

33 posted on 08/28/2002 8:16:45 AM PDT by Drango
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To: Drango
You wouldn't say that if your only paper was the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Urinal/Constipation to locals.) Any pro-gun letters wind up in the circular file and never see the light of day, except of course if a semi-literate KKK member writes in, in which case they feature the letter prominently with a self-righteous response from the editors.

The rag is almost uniformly liberal (the owner is a raving nutter leftie) and rabidly anti-gun. The editors don't think the 2nd Amendment applies to anything but the National Guard (but just in case it does, they want it repealed.) They don't even think people should "have guns for hunting". As though the Second Amendment had anything to do with hunting.

34 posted on 08/28/2002 11:27:35 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: AnAmericanMother
"Shhh. Be vewy vewy quiet...I'm hunting tywants." ;>
35 posted on 08/28/2002 11:32:01 AM PDT by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Interesting Times
Bookmarked in the fervent hope that someone will be so foolish as to cite Bellesiles in my presence...

Only if you hang with PBS viewers.

Bumpo to expose these left wing history revisionists, like Doris Kearns Goodwin.

36 posted on 08/28/2002 11:35:42 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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