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Mob beheads nun in Bagdad
UPI | 8/27/02 | UWE SIEMON-NETTO

Posted on 08/27/2002 7:30:54 PM PDT by kattracks

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To: Barnacle
Thanks. You are correct. And no one even noticed that it was "thugs" that did it, even if it DID occur. By that criterion, we'd better start by replacing the regime in Detroit.
61 posted on 08/27/2002 8:22:04 PM PDT by jammer
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To: Centurion2000
"Islam must be crushed."

So it shall.

Matt 24:50-51 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

62 posted on 08/27/2002 8:22:58 PM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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To: Senator Pardek
How do you figure? On what pipe dreams do you base your stupid comment? Are you a Jew hater too?
63 posted on 08/27/2002 8:23:39 PM PDT by willyone
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To: Bobby777
I put up a link on Mary because I think John Newman explains it far better than I can.

My question to you, rather, was "How do you know the rightly inspired books are in the NT since you reject the authority of Rome who put together and approved of said scripture?"

65 posted on 08/27/2002 8:24:43 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Senator Pardek
yet Catholic Freepers more or less ignore this fact, because it's an ugly one.

Two things.

  1. Let's not forget that plenty of Protestant "missions" exist to convert Catholics. I am from the buckle of the Bible Belt and can assure you that the question "Are you Catholic or Christian?" is not in the least unusual.

    When it comes to "wiping out Christianity", it's possible that the greater peril come from within ... be it heretics who begin their own sects or faithless Catholics who -- in word or deed -- betray the tenets of their faith or the love of Christ to which, by all rights, they are to witness.

  2. The Catholic Church is ancient, Pardek. It's the oldest human institution on the planet. She looks at Islam and sees heresy. She knows that Islam's success was due in large part not only to its militance and rigor but also to the fact Islam is in many respects a distillation of a selection of Christian truths. How to explain the fact that Islam too venerates Mary even if it will not bring itself to admit the Son of Man was also Son of God.

Refresh yourself with the Church's statement on men of other faiths as found in the Catechism.

The Catholic Church cannot simply demonize Islam ... in much the same way Islam or Protestants were quick to demonize and attack the Church. Instead, in her heart is always the hope of union in this life, in advance of the inevitable solidarity -- in peace and love -- of the human family.

839. "'Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways.'[LG 16.]
The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,[Cf. NA 4.] 'the first to hear the Word of God.'[Roman Missal, Good Friday 13: General Intercessions, VI.] The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews 'belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ',[ .] 'for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.'[ .]"

840. "And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus. "

841. "The Church's relationship with the Muslims. 'The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.'[LG 16; cf. NA 3.]"

842. "The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:
All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .[NA 1.] "

843. "The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as 'a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.'[LG 16; cf. NA 2; EN 53.]"

844. "In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:
Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.[LG 16; cf. .] "

845. "To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is 'the world reconciled.' She is that bark which 'in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.' According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.[St. Augustine, Serm. 96, 7, 9: PL 38, 588; St. Ambrose, De virg. 18, 118: PL 16, 297B; cf. already .]"

To view the context, please visithttp://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/church3.html#CATHOLIC


66 posted on 08/27/2002 8:25:23 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Bobby777
what rejection are you speaking of please?

The Council of Nicaea was called by the church at the direction of the Emperor Constantine, primarily to decide the major theological controversies of the early 4th century. As a result, the Nicene Creed was issued by the Council, and the doctrines of the Nestorians and the Arians were condemned. Their rejection of the Trinity was condemned, and those who upheld this rejection it were ordered to be executed. The Nestorians and Arians held that Jesus Christ was not God, but only a man, and therefore rejected the second person of the Trinity.

To this day, most Christian denominations require adherence to the Nicene Creed for their members. A general term for Christians who accept the Creed is 'Trinitarians'. Those who reject it are known as 'Unitarians'.

67 posted on 08/27/2002 8:26:08 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: July 4th
Almost all older Chaldeans speak Aramaic. They act like Catholics in this country did thirty years ago. A friend of mine who is Chaldean is going to visit Iraq for family reasons next month. I told her she was nuts.
68 posted on 08/27/2002 8:26:09 PM PDT by willyone
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To: hoosierskypilot
"I can't imaging that Allah is proud of such cowardly swine."

Sure he is. Allah (Islam) = man-made religion = satan.
69 posted on 08/27/2002 8:26:22 PM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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To: JMJ333
you're avoiding the question ... you're trying to ascribe 100% infallability when this teaching is clearly wrong to anyone who has read the Bible ...

now Mary is either the "mother of God" or she isn't ... I'd be interested if you'd be willing to make public your stance on this issue ...
70 posted on 08/27/2002 8:27:15 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
bump
71 posted on 08/27/2002 8:28:10 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: Darth Sidious
ISLAM IS THE ENEMY
72 posted on 08/27/2002 8:29:06 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: jammer
By that criterion, we'd better start by replacing the regime in Detroit.

Sounds good. But, we'd better finish with Baghdad first.

I'm not opposed to kicking Sadam's *. However, like you, I can recognize propaganda when I see it.

73 posted on 08/27/2002 8:29:56 PM PDT by Barnacle
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To: kattracks
The bane that is "Islam" is incompatible with ANY concept of "freedom."

Truth is, even as citizens of the United States of America, they will never be "true" red, white and blue. To them America is but a mere vessel with teats to be milked for free just because. ANY Muslim will admit their real brethren forevermore lies in the Middle East.

74 posted on 08/27/2002 8:30:07 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
well, the New Testament is explicity clear ... denying the Deity of Christ is rejection of the Truth ... so we're agreed on that ...
75 posted on 08/27/2002 8:30:09 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: XeniaSt; RnMomof7; BibChr
ping
76 posted on 08/27/2002 8:33:03 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: kattracks
Help is on the way.
77 posted on 08/27/2002 8:33:17 PM PDT by swheats
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To: Bahbah
Sister Cecilia Hanna,

In heaven today. Pray for the other Catholics who are still there and no doubt suffering.

78 posted on 08/27/2002 8:33:50 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Bobby777
interesting how the correct Biblical interpretation

Is one shared by the Muslims.

79 posted on 08/27/2002 8:33:50 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Bobby777
It is clear from the link I posted to you where my position is. But as I said, Newman being the intellectual giant that he is lays it out far better then I could. Perhaps some time you could look it over objectively and then address it.

As for scripture, you have stated that your authority for interpretation is yourself, which as you stated rejects marian dogma. I myself will stick to the authority of Rome in this matter.

80 posted on 08/27/2002 8:35:02 PM PDT by JMJ333
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