Mob beheads nun in Bagdad

UPI | 8/27/02 | UWE SIEMON-NETTO

[sinkspur]

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to accomplish.

You're dragging the Crusades, and anti-semitism, and Christian Iraqis and the Orthodox into an argument about whether or not Saddam ought to be forcibly evicted.

One thing is clear: We are going into Iraq, there will be civilian casualties, we will defeat Iraq and drive Hussein out.

All your anecdotal disagreements notwithstanding.

[crystalk]

bttt

[Askel5]

I do have some thoughts ...

I don't see how the recognition of a Creator for purposes of dispelling error and accentuating common truths is a problem.

I do the same thing with Calvinists even if the God they worship according to Calvin's system does not allow for Free Will, returning man to a pagan-style inexorable fate.

The God many so-called Christians and Catholics worship as part of their navel-gazing and all-merciful, all-loving God is also alien to me. (Yes, God is merciful and love itself but in order that our choices mean something, he cannot will us to Himself absent our choosing Him. There are consequences for human choices. Death is our reminder that we must choose life.)

Does that help at all? I'm happy to go further, it's just that you caught me out of the blue and I haven't had time to change gears properly.

[jae471]

because certain Christians hold high office in Baath party.

IIRC, Tariq Aziz (Deputy PM) is one of these Christians.

[d14truth]

"Yelda told UPI at the time that Iraq's Christians "no longer dare to wear their traditional crosses. They are being called crusaders. They do not receive food rations. They are being told, 'Ask the Americans to feed you. You have no business being here.'""

Can you imagine ANY religious persuasion in America asking Saddam to feed the Islamic population here?

[BlackVeil]

"I think anybody who murders the religious, be it a priest, nun, rabbi, Buddhist monk, imam, or lay missionary or otherwise devout person, where the person was never violent or advocated violence ... " I agree with you. I don't care what faith they are following, if they are people who have truly consecrated their lives to God, it is a particularly severe outrage.