An 'Authentic' Conservative, Buchanan Parts With Bush

INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY ^ | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 | BY BRIAN MITCHELL

[JohnGalt]

Just the other way around. We should be engaging in the art of compromise to build a political voice, not calling anyone who disagrees with the Bush Administration a Neville Chamberlin, a coward, or an anti-Semite.

Those are the tricks of the Left employed by the Neo-Cons.

[cake_crumb]

Don't sweat Zviadist. In Zviadist's 'mind', all of us who are not 'Randians, Libertarians, and John Birchers' are 'neo-cons'.

That type of attitude speaks volumes about the difference between fantasy and reality. It also defines "rabid xenophobia".

[rdb3]

OK tough guy.

I'm only "tough" because of the streets of East Cleveland made me that way, or else I would have never made it this far. That, and the 82d Airborne Division.

You go for it.

Sure will. I'll always be up in your types' grills and there isn't a damned thing you could do about it.

But you might want to research the intellectual origins of a movement you claim to be a part of. I certainly would.

I'm well aware of the origins of the so-called "neo-con." So, it's not necessary. I'm seriously well-versed, thank you very much.

[cake_crumb]

I sincerely doubt that George Washington meant for us to treat all countries on Earth with equal disdain.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

His leaving will bring many more people into the party than will leave with him. You can't put lipstick on pigs and expect them to not still get muddy. Pat Buchanan is as racist today as he was twenty years ago, he's just learned to conceal it better.

That was really funny ("you can't put lipstick on pigs and expect them to not still get muddy"), but also well stated!! We agree!!

[rdb3]

Those are the tricks of the Left employed by the Neo-Cons.

Your name just got added to the "family ass-whipping" list.

[Poohbah]

Yeah...just a bunch of dead white guys.

They are men, and their opinions on 18th-century geopolitics cannot be considered divine commandments for all time, because the specific situations and crises their comments addressed no longer obtain.

Feels like I am on DU website or somesuch liberal crap site.

Your feelings and reality are not necessarily one and the same.

You guys are bizarre.

"KETTLE, THIS IS POT. YOU ARE BLACK--REPEAT, YOU ARE BRAVO LIMA ALFA CHARLIE KILO. OVER."

[ex-snook]

"I have read their comments about his "anti-semitism". I have read their references. I might have a tendency to believe them if their comments weren't so blatantly taken out of context or slanted. I plan to look into subscribing to the magazine. It should be worth a look. With enemies like these, he couldn't be all wrong. "

Amen.

BUT ABOVE ALL THINGS
TRUTH
BEARETH AWAY THE VICTORY

I will subscribe too.

[rdb3]

Ever time anything concerning Pat's opinion on anything is posted a gaggle of spouters of ad hominem attacks comes forward. Seldom do they address anything discussed in the article.

As I said earlier, for all those who want Buchanan, they can have him.

[cake_crumb]

"A Neo-Con is a Reagan Republican.Believers in economic growth, strong defence, traditional values, limited gov't."

AH. Thank you. I guess I am a "Neo-Con" after all, then.

[Zviadist]

You issued alarmist warnings on the attack on Afghanistan. The Russians couldn't do it, the British were thrown out on their asses, blah, blah, blah.

Care to point to our "great success" there, pal? Did we get the guys who attacked us? No. Well...I thought that was our purpose.

Are we now forcing our great fighting men to play bodyguard to their unelected and ridiculous "president"? Yep. And it's degrading and disgraceful to the United States Military.

Have we stopped opium production? No...this year's crop is the biggest yet.

Are we seeing increasing factional fighting that threatens American soldiers and "our" government of corrupt Tajiks and Uzbeks? Absolutely.

Are we now going to give BILLIONS of our dollars to socially engineer Afghan women out of their burkhas and other PC nonsense? Yup. (Do you like giving billions of American dollars to nation-build -- something our president said he would never do?)

So I was wrong in my skepticism over our Afghan operation exactly how?

Seriously, if you would like to point to what you consider our great success there I would be interested in seeing it.

[Zviadist]

I'm well aware of the origins of the so-called "neo-con." So, it's not necessary. I'm seriously well-versed, thank you very much.

So...you don't mind that your movement was founded by followers of Leon Trotsky. Interesting. I think Trotsky was a creep. All commies and lefties are. Apparently you think differently. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

[habs4ever]

I kinda prefer the label "mainstream" honestly.

[hchutch]

What gave you the right to declare those who disagree with Buchanan's "authentic" conservatism leftists?

Quite frankly, I find that highly arrogant. Arrogance that fits the left more closely than the right.

[rdb3]

They are men, and their opinions on 18th-century geopolitics cannot be considered divine commandments for all time, because the specific situations and crises their comments addressed no longer obtain.

You know, when I read about how we are supposed to return back to such times, I immediately find my .44. I ain't going back to the 18th century, period.

The Constitution they gave us works and works wonderfully. But your statement on 18th century geopolitics and how they are now in the 21st bears repeating.

[exmarine]

And the Soviets were not? Were you asleep during the Cold War? Containment worked then. Stalin was a bit meaner than Saddam, if you didn't know.

What are you talking about? Are you comparing Stalin to bin laden? apples and oranges. Can you remember when stalin had his men drive 747's into our skyscrapers? These are islamic radicals who think they are getting 72 virgins in paradise. If you don't understand the difference, nothing I say can change your mind. I won't confuse you with any more facts.

[Zviadist]

What gave you the right to declare those who disagree with Buchanan's "authentic" conservatism leftists?

I don't know where I said that, but I did say that the intellectual founders of the neo-conservative movement were -- every one of them -- leftists and followers of Leon Trotsky. That may be an appealing political movement for you, but I find it distasteful. I find all communist and pseudo-communist organizations distasteful.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

To: hchutch

Furthermore, the fact remains that Reagan and Bush Jr.'s brand of conservatism...

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You were making a joke right? Comparing a conservative icon lion and a true leader to a timid lightwieght moderate who is spending OUR money like a spoiled mall twit who just won the damn lottery.

Reagan made it clear to everyone listening that "government is the problem". GWB thinks big government just hasn't been done right yet. He never had a rooted conservative philosophy and couldn't buy one if he tried.

51 posted on 8/28/02 10:52 AM Pacific by AAABEST

To: AAABEST

I thought same thing myself, but elected to remain silent. I'm glad I did. Couldn't have said it so well as you did.

57 posted on 8/28/02 11:05 AM Pacific by gcruse

"To: gcruse

I thought same thing myself, but elected to remain silent.

Well, for a brief (sadly, all too brief) moment, you were following the wisdom of "It is better to keep one's mouth shut, and merely be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

59 posted on 8/28/02 11:09 AM Pacific by Poohbah

WELL SAID Poohbah!!!! Between AAABest and gcruse, there is NO doubting who the fools on this thread are and they are more than able and willing to expose themselves. If you look closely, you will see they are usually in threads together,.. exposing the same views. Either they are one and the same, or buddies. I fully expect some nasty little rant about me from AAABest, it is so easy (almost too easy) to get him all riled up! But in reality, I think he has a secret crush on me. ;o)

.. watch the fireworks to come.

[cake_crumb]

"Just the other way around. We should be engaging in the art of compromise to build a political voice, not calling anyone who disagrees with the Bush Administration a Neville Chamberlin, a coward, or an anti-Semite."

Just the other way around?!?

You accuse any conservative who does not agree with your wingnut views of being a Neo-Con....which sounds too much like the Nazis who killed a lot of my relatives in Europe...then tell me that YOU believe we should now engage in a COMPROMISE?

Over WHAT? You have no point, and your tactic of divide them, wear them down, conquer them then offer "compromise"...as long as "compromise means agreeing with whatever YOU believe?

Come back when you grow up. There is no need to compromise with the loser in battle and you are losing this one. Not just with me, but with all of us whome you have deliberately insulted with your transparent ploy. You're ittitating, the way a biting fly is irritating....and I don't "compromise" with biting flies.

[jwalsh07]

LOL, I'd change the subject real quick too if I had been as wrong as you were in the pre invasion analysis of Afghanistan. What you said couldn't be done in years and without tens of thousands of dead Americans was done in months with 40 casualties, God bless'em.

Remember our debates back then Zviadist? Now who was full of crap?

Answer that honestly and we'll move on to post war Afghanistan.