[Pitchfork]

Nothing is so appalling to me as the abandonment by conservatives of the founding principles of the United States with respect to criminal justice. The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution and thier supporting documents (the Federalist Papers) are rife with warnings about the danger of the prosecutorial power of the state, the capriousness of judicial systems that lack controls and the undeniable importance of due process, the presumption of innocence and the state's burden of proof regarding the accused.

To read casual dismissal of this MOST FUNDAMENTAL freedom from persecution by state powers--comments like "well he might have been innocent of that crime but he was probably a scumbag anyawy"--turn my stomach. THERE but for the GRACE of GOD goes you buckoo!

Some how, conservatives need to find a balance between a rightminded and justifiable interest in Law and Order and a health respect for the rights of the accused. Right now American conservatism is too strongly skewed to the former (with the exception perhaps of the libertarian strands).

[Arthur McGowan]

There's something more appalling than "conservatives" who applaud prosecutorial misconduct, and that's "conservatives" who applaud prison rape. Every time the subject comes up on FR, these people crawl out from under the nearest rock to say "It's part of the punishment."

[2sheep]

>Some how, conservatives need to find a balance between a rightminded and justifiable interest in Law and Order and a healthy respect for the rights of the accused.  Right now American conservatism is too strongly skewed to the former (with the exception perhaps of the libertarian strands).

Excellent post.  There are liberals and various type of fascist shills who "work" forums solely for the purpose of converting opinion toward socialism and the liberal agenda.  Using the Hegelian dialectic and "create-a-crisis" they are working towards more government control and less rights for the individual and persuading people to go along with that agenda. 

Any conservative who continues to use "we" and "us" in reference to the government and thinks it is only here to help "us," hasn't done enough reading and is blind to the innocent being trampled underfoot.  AFTER THE TOWERS FELL, ACCORDING TO FBI LITERATURE, the FBI identified and instructed law enforcement to consider that anyone who opposes government policy, believes or quotes from the Bible or the Constitution, believes in the second amendment right to bear arms and fully informed jurors is guilty of "terrorist behavior."   See, 119

2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.