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To: 2sheep
Your comments are over the top, fella.

I've spliced my comments amongst your drivel. While America dispenses aid around the world, it does so with many restrictions attached, political and social.

I sure as hell hope so, good teacher! America is a good and giving nation. Israel would be dust again without our time, talent, treasure and blood.

There is after a death culture which demands that condoms, abortion and homosexuality be spread and America has been pushing that allong with the U.N.

Who are you to sit in judgement of America? You don't really know of which you speak o'torah sage! Each nation shall be judged by God Almighty. Who recieves His greatest judgement? Guess! Since when can you lump the UN in with the USA?

What do I care for the judgement of trapped Old Testament minds?.

America under President Bush has banned the use of foreign aid for the use in abortions.

Abortion is perfectly legal in the socialist enlightened State of Israel.

America also has way of dropping money with one hand and bombs with the other creating a confusing picture to the recipients

I sure hope we are confusing the assholes we drop bombs on!

If I were you partner, I would be looking for Sodom a little closer to home.Say over in Iraq. Knock off the self-righteous Jew stuff. A millstone might just wind up on your neck.

33 posted on 08/28/2002 11:08:28 PM PDT by STD
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To: STD; 2sheep
I have some bad news God the Father is still God the father,the fundamental principal that has caused creation to go out of whack and what vexes the world is simply this issueSin.There is still much Old Testament prophecy to be fulfilled, a reign of the Lord in peace and harmony,endeed even a hint of of planet rejuvination for the last 1000 odd years,but simply put the day of the Lord or a period of judgement is to precede this event,this has always been the case with his people whether o/t or n/t

Sin leads to servitude of idols or worldly desires leads to moral decay,poor leadersip and stupidity which leads to punishment leads to repentance leads to rejuvination and blessing,Jesus is the option whereby we can avoid Divine punishment and collective national punishment by repentance up front,recieving the holy spirit and transformation,(AND FOLLOWING CONDITIONS OF TRUST AND OBEDIENCE)even in the Old testament however people in Gods favour escaped E.G Lot or Jeremiah(from memory) left alive after people who didn't listen went to their pretold fate are all slaughtered but he miraculously is spared in Egypt

Historically all citizens are proud of the Empires they belonged to, to be a Roman Citizen gave you inaliable rights such as a right to a trial,the US has ,the rapidly becoming irrelevant, Bill of Rights and Constitution,and note all prior Republics ended up Dictatorships,then dissolve eventually into oblivion,thats the way the world works and then the way they treated the world returns to them,good or bad.

Abortion,prostitution,child sacrifice and idol worship all have caused judgements before.God with Israel wanted to start a moral and just people so they could be a strong nation state so his promises could be filled,the Law was not to create theocracy,despite enforcement even for the King, but to implant the concept of a superior force or entity to man,who was he God the creator of the Abrahamic covenent,deliverer from Egypt,giver of the Law to Moses and to convict man of his sin,so he tried to be moral and upright so that family units,judges and societal framework did not degenerate into the joke it is today and degerated to then after falling away on several occasions.Of the 2 original jewish nations,Judah and Israel,Israel was punished first by being captured it dissapeared completely and would be totally lost bar for the smart ones that migrated south to continue worship(tribe of Israel in Judah),their Kings were apostate from the start so they dissapear completely first,Judah who had a few 4 or so righteous Kings and kept the faith still did not avoid judgement,but a few good kings delayed Babylonian captivity their last leader postponed this till after his death,thats how big individual favours from God can be, but overall the long string of Clintons,Nixons,Lindon Johnsons etc got it to the point,judgement was irreversible,no sacrifice or atonement could stop it at a national level.

Im saying that the Old Testament is the slow revealing of who God the Father is over a 2000 year time period,of whom Jesus said I am nothing without him.If you don't know the Old testament you don't know God,now Im not one to sit in Judgement either of America, but I do know from past immutible,unchangeable principals of Gods nature that its sins are legion and no it won't escape when the time comes...which could be sooner than you'd like to think.

39 posted on 08/29/2002 9:09:23 PM PDT by Crazymonarch
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