Group of pilots disputes question official version of 9/11

The Portugal News ^ | 8/3/02 | The Portugal News

[LaBradford22]

This guy has seen the move "Conspiracy Theory" with Mel Gibson way too many times.

[Maximum Leader]

I've never heard of this Colonel De Grand before. How much are you willing to bet that his commission is from some militia?

As for Paul Roberts... I read his column regularly and I haven't seen him endorse anything like this (though he does compare the FBI to the Gestapo, confusing I think general incompetence with all too competent evil). As for Roberts' university, I'm pretty sure the big school in Palo Alto is NOT called "Stamford".

Just a sloppy article.

[mikegi]

This is very old tinfoil hat stuff. Do a search on google.com for "Donn de Grand" and you'll see the exact same story over and over again ("Enemy is Inside the Gates"). I guess the AWACS planes use their hallucination rays to make Barbara Olsen see hijackers take over and fly the planes.

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[PJeffQ]

The tinfoil hats in Signs are pretty good...

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[ex-snook]

"This is irrational crap. "

Righto. It totally misses what happened on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania. Let's roll doesn't sound like a remote.

[Krafty123]

There are both Stanford and Stamford Universities.

[Pistolshot]

TIN FOIL ALERT!!!

[Mat_Helm]

This writer has no idea about what he is talking about. 767's praticly fly themselves. I have over 2000 simulated hours over 9 years in F/A-18 hornets in various weapons tactics trainers, flight simulators, and part task trainers after doing maintenance, modification, and operations for the Navy. I am not a fighter pilot but I can fly, navigate, bomb, do all major ACM combat, land on a carrier, and do other classified operations in my sleep and would not flinch at an opportunity to fly an F/A-18 on any occasion. I used to amaze pilots with stunts they would never ever attempt for real such as drop from martial at 20,000 feet, pull up on the deck 1/2 mile from the fan tail with speed brake out, lower the gear-hook-flaps while doing a complete aileron roll, and catch the 3-wire just as Hornet leveled with deck after the roll. During tours of the simulator I could have people flying an F/A-18 with less than an hours instruction. I would wax (shoot down) Lt.JG Nugget flying against them from another cockpit in simulated Air Combat Maneuvering (ACM)on a regular basis.

Yes, with little flight time these SOB's were able to simply type in the coordinates in the Nav system to the major cities or just head that direction and easily find major large targets in those cities and hit them. I have seen the MSN Flight Simulator and other software available to anyone and yes they could easily learn to do what these SOB's did with that and basic flight training.

I used to fly in a weapons trainer with 360 degree visual capability with realtime topagraphy and nap of the earth and fly to monument valley and fly through the mountains or fly through the buildings in down town LA or under the Longbeach harbor bridge.

No you can not take over a 767 with a radio signal that overrides the cockpit avionics input and remotely fly it into a building without the pilots being able to stop it. First and foremost even if they had access to modify the aircraft all the pilot would have to do is pull the breakers to the radio equipemnt or other circuit breakers that would prevent the avionics from receiving inputs. 767's have a database management unit and flight control computers that control the engines and avionics. The pilots could also have shut down the engines at anytime regardless. Why would they hit three targets and crash one in an empty PA field?

Where was the tinfoil hat alert on this one.

[DrLiberty]

Congressman Billybob: "The panel reached its conclusion after "deliberating for 72 straight hours." Any panel on anything that deliberated for 72 straight hours would agree to anything to get out of the room and get some sleep. -- that Bill Clinton is an honest man, that O.J. Simpson didn't do it, that Britanny Spears is a good actress, whatever."

Very funny. Your point proves nothing.

Congressman Billybob: "Regarding the comment that the hijackers "could not have become familiar with IFR operations in 45 minutes," they didn't use the instruments. They flew down the coast by looking at the waterline. In New York, they found their targets by sight. In D.C. they missed their target (apparently the White House), because it is short and hidden by trees when seen from the air, and so diverted to the Pentagon."

You obviously haven't seen the flightlines. You're just assuming what they did, like everyone else here does all the time. They flew straight down across New York State, not the coast.

If that's the best you can do Billy, we better get you back up to congress to help all the other nitwits. Or how about The CIA or FBI. They can't see the forest for the trees either.

[bootless]

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[bootless]

GPS coordinates.

[ravingnutter]

If this is the same Paul Roberts...his bio is at the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace .

[fellowpatriot]

So explain to me, what was the point of killing 19 of their comrades if they were indeed controlling the planes remotely?

[Poohbah]

The 767 has a lovely navigation suite. One simply punches in the GPS coordinates desired (not hard to obtain--simply stand on the WTC observation platform with a GPS receiver and store the data), engages the navigation system, and the plane either (a) tells you where to steer or (b) if you're in a lazy mood, it will fly there itself on automatic pilot with altitude hold engaged.

Once in visual range, simply turn off the autopilot and steer the damn plane. Not terribly difficult.

This "report" improperly describes equipment (the description of the AWACS is a particularly funny one for those who actually know how these sorts of things work), jumps to conclusions not supported by the data, and generally multiplies entities beyond necessity.

[bootless]

...simply stand on the WTC observation platform with a GPS receiver and store the data),

Perzackly. BTW, wasn't Atta spotted loitering around the towers a day or so before?

More generally, this is one of the looniest theories I've seen in a while.

[Maximum Leader]

True enough, but Paul Craig Roberts is a fellow at the Hoover Institution, which is affiliated with Stanford.

There may in fact be (though I doubt it) a Paul Roberts at Stamford, but PCR is the one that was an assistant secretary of the Treasury.

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