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Group of pilots disputes question official version of 9/11
The Portugal News ^ | 8/3/02 | The Portugal News

Posted on 08/29/2002 1:41:13 PM PDT by DrLiberty

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To: DrLiberty
As far as the pilots throats being cut instantly as part of the hijacking, I'm not sure I can go with that. I would think there would be some kind of time for pilots to do something.

The attack was well-planned. I would guess that the hijackers planned from the beginning to kill the pilots as quickly as possible.

141 posted on 08/30/2002 7:35:45 AM PDT by syriacus
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To: DrLiberty
Why are none of the hijackers listed on the passenger lists

Atta shows up on a surveillance camera at an airport that day. (As well as having his name on the original passenger list). We know he was flying somewhere.

If he wasn't on one of those doomed flights, and is still alive, he should notify his family so they don't feel they have to "defend" him any more.

142 posted on 08/30/2002 7:42:11 AM PDT by syriacus
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To: Shooter 2.5
We started the war by shooting at the little submarine that was filled with Japanese tourists on vacation to Hawaii. ( sarcasm)

I'm sure someone, somewhere, is trying to apply a scenario just like this to the events of 9/11.

How about this scenario??...

Background:

Intolerance against Muslims is rampant among the pilots of 4 specific planes.

Plot:

In order to kill the vacationing Atta and his friends (and "teach a lesson" to all other radical Muslims) the pilots decide to crash their planes.

We might want to add touches like having a "hate" radio host say a code word over the air that sets off the pilots' frenzy.

Maybe the plot can include Atta and his friends killing the pilots in an unsuccessful attempt to save the planes and the passengers.

Anyone have Oliver Stone's phone number?

143 posted on 08/30/2002 8:03:37 AM PDT by syriacus
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To: DrLiberty
This conclusion has been seconded by a UK columnist for the UK Daily Mail, John Carlin.

I think Carlin's "stiff upper lip" must have spread to his brain.

Nothing is working upstairs.

144 posted on 08/30/2002 8:06:38 AM PDT by syriacus
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To: DrLiberty
EMP does exist, but you can't control an airliner that way. Anyone who thinks they can is ipso facto a moron.
145 posted on 08/30/2002 8:15:21 AM PDT by eno_
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To: DrLiberty
Terribly sorry to have to say this...but this article backs up the "official government version" of 9-11. However, terrist attacks are more along the lines of extremist paramilitary, rather than strict military. See...the real military doesn't deliberately murder over three thousand innocent civilians in an unprovoked first attack. Terrorists do that. Unlawful combatants, even.

In a thousand words or more, The Portugal News turns what everyone already knew into a tinfoil hat story worthy of Justin Raimondo (sp?) and adds nothing whatever of value. We were here. We saw what happened.

I give it eleven paranoia points out of ten.

146 posted on 08/30/2002 8:27:16 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: DrLiberty
Your theories have been shown to be rubbish and all you have to say for yourself is that the pilots "would have done something?" We know the passengers DID do something on one of the flights, and that that action probably caused a crash short of the hijackers' target. And, if you have been reading other threads on FR between dodging the HAARP rays that are, no doubt, out to get you, you would know that Al Quaida training is heavy on the shock intimidation tactics. Just about every Al Quaida foot soldier is trained in how to take control over bystanders in a situation and to deal with utter brutality any attempt to resist.

Except for some question of the cause of the crash in PA - whether the hijackers crashed it because they were losing a fight in the cockpit, or whether it was shot down because it was minutes away from D.C. - there is no indication 9/11 was anything other than what it appeared to be. Nothing about 9/11 is inconsistent with Al Quaida's known capabilities and intentions.

147 posted on 08/30/2002 8:28:06 AM PDT by eno_
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To: DrLiberty
Well, Doc, I'm a former AF pilot with 1800 hours in "heavies". That doesn't make me an expert, and there are surely those with far more experience, etc., etc.........but I CAN tell you that this piece is utter, complete bulls**t on a host of fronts.
148 posted on 08/30/2002 8:34:24 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: AppyPappy
And they also ignore the cell phone conversations that took place between the flight crew and the 911 operators.
149 posted on 08/30/2002 8:37:03 AM PDT by bribriagain
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To: dead
"This dopey article is wrong on so many issues I'm thinking that somebody remotely controlled the reporter's typewriter just to make him look like an idiot."

Nah...he just took something everybody knew, added some tinfoil hat rumor from both far-left and far-right wingnuts...and VIOLA!! He has a PAYCHECK!!!! (he got paid by the word)

150 posted on 08/30/2002 8:38:29 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Spruce
"So it was a conspiracy of the military-industrial complex to justify a war with Iraq?"

LOL...guess I should have forced myself to read the rest of the article....on second thought...NAAAHHHH

151 posted on 08/30/2002 8:42:40 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: BullDog108
WOW...where did you get that pic? It looks familiar...what move, do you know?
152 posted on 08/30/2002 8:44:27 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: ErnBatavia
. . .stated that the US had on several occasions flown an unmanned aircraft, similar in size to a Boeing 737, across the Pacific from Edwards Air Force base in California to South Australia.

I guess the questions would be, what were the dissimilarities between the aircraft they used and and the 737, and is it possible to bring them into line with a 737? Fuel capacity seems to be the problem. Could it have been solved without being obvious about it, or without witnesses?

153 posted on 08/30/2002 8:50:17 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: discostu
"In most people hallucinations start at around 60 hours."

Well...I believe you've given us a good explanation for this hallucinatory article.

154 posted on 08/30/2002 8:51:24 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Poohbah
"(not hard to obtain--simply stand on the WTC observation platform with a GPS receiver and store the data)"

Remember the hand held GPS reciever that was found in some Arab's apartment in NYC? First the guy said he never saw it before, then he said it was his...then he said it must belong to his buddy....and that mentally challenged judge let him walk.

155 posted on 08/30/2002 9:07:43 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
Remember the hand held GPS reciever that was found in some Arab's apartment in NYC? First the guy said he never saw it before, then he said it was his...then he said it must belong to his buddy....and that mentally challenged judge let him walk.

It was an aviation radio, not a GPS. And it turns out that it didn't belong to the Arab at all, but an American pilot on the floor below him--and that the hotel rent-a-cop had planted it in the Arab's room so that he could "find" it and be the big hero.

156 posted on 08/30/2002 9:15:58 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: DrLiberty; bootless
Global Hawk
157 posted on 08/30/2002 9:23:25 AM PDT by It'salmosttolate
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To: Poohbah
"It was an aviation radio, not a GPS"

Thanks...after posting my question and continuing on through the replies, I saw your answer to the same question by Howlin. Guess I shoulda read all the replies first and saved some typing :- )

158 posted on 08/30/2002 9:23:44 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: DrLiberty
Great.

Makes a good movie of the week, but hardly anything substantial here.

A further point was how the FBI had managed to retrieve the passport of one of the suspects amid the molten and twisted remains of thousands of tons of steel and rubble brought about by the Twin Towers collapse.

A good question, to be sure, I've often wondered that myself, but hardly indicative of any kind of "conspiracy". Since only one was found, maybe it was just luck? Maybe.

The entire rest of this article argues for an alternate explaination based on pure conjecture (AWACS system) with no physical evidence to support the presence of such technology on the plane(s). Indeed, the WTC wreckage incinerated whole bodies where literally nothing is left; how can we ever hope to find evidence of an AWACS system on board? Supposing such is clouding the issue, at best.

The argument here is that since the plane didn't: Nosedive, swerve to the left or right, and since the pilots didn't punch in the 4 digit code for hijacking into the transponder, then it MUST have been under someone else's control from the beginning, and therefore the AWACS MUST be there, even though we can never hope to recover it from the "molten and twisted remains of thousands of tons of steel and rubble brought about by the Twin Towers collapse". It MUST be there though, since there's no other POSSIBLE explaination for how the plane could've been brought under control of the terrorists so quickly.

Right?

1. Kick down flimsy door. 2. Overpower pilots before they can even punch in the 4 digit code, much less send plane into nose dive or swerve about. 3. Use training garnered from places like Moussaoui went to (which was for training to fly a JET, not a CESSNA) to fly plane into towers.

Yeah, ONLY possible explaination; this article is so right. < /sarcasm >

159 posted on 08/30/2002 9:43:29 AM PDT by FourtySeven
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To: bootless
"Tastes like Stilton. Cheese, Grommit!" Congratulations! I wondered if anyone would get a reference that obscure. Have a bottle of Cotes du Rhone with that cheese!
160 posted on 08/30/2002 9:55:22 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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