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Mark Steyn: Don't Dianafy 9/11
National Post (Canada) ^ | 08/30/2002 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 08/30/2002 8:35:04 AM PDT by Pokey78

We are in the season of anniversaries - Elvis, Diana, the World Trade Center. August 16th 1977, August 31st 1997, September 11th 2001.

If the comparison is trivial and demeaning, don't blame me. Five years ago, my mistake was to compare Diana to Elvis - or Marilyn, that other tragic blonde icon whose candle-in-the-windiness was transferred to the late Princess and promptly became the world's best-selling single ever, dethroning Bing's White Christmas. I thought her lustre had the staying power of the other big-time celebrity demises. I was wrong.

But grant me at least a sense of proportion: The throngs howling on the streets around Kensington and Buckingham Palaces insisted we were on the brink of something far bigger, that the Princess of Wales' death had, to coin a phrase, "changed the world" - or at any rate that section of it under the rule of the House of Windsor. London was in the grip of a psychosis that week, a weird hybrid of American victim culture and English yob culture, with mobs outside Buckingham Palace - the "Ice Palace" - demanding that the Queen come out and feel their pain or they'd come in and give her some pain of her own to feel.

Her Majesty rode out the storm, as she has ridden out others. Five years on, Diana is a faded presence. Her groupies accuse the Royal Family of a sinister "establishment" plot to airbrush her out of the official record. Maybe they're right. But that's not the problem. The cruel reality is that "the people's princess" has been shrugged off by the people. Hers is a shriveled dwindling cult.

A-list chums like Sir Elton and Tom Cruise long ago checked out. Four years ago, official commemorations at the Spencer family estate at Althorp were already reduced to the likes of TV beach hunk David Hasselhoff, who sang his song A Brand New Angel - written for a deceased Baywatch character but, like Candle In The Wind, apparently of universal application. It began to rain, but he and the crowd prayed to the Princess for her to stop the downpour. "And she did," he said. "It was the most amazing thing." I subsequently prayed to her to turn her official Diana-trademark margarine from its golden hue to plain ivory so that we in Quebec would be able to buy it, but, alas, my prayers went unanswered. And now Diana margarine has been withdrawn from the market.

So her incandescent celebrity has guttered and died. But what's endured is a kind of ongoing karaoke Diana cult, with new and ever more transient personages briefly shunted into the limelight for the usual routine of teary candlelight vigils and mounds of teddy bears. In England this month, two girls were abducted. Eventually, their bodies were found. It is an appalling, grotesque, despicable crime and their parents' grief must be truly inconsolable. But, for the rest of the nation, "this vile crime," as the doctor and columnist Theodore Dalrymple wrote, "has been turned into something of an entertainment." As the media descend, so do the clichÈs, and the stock characters: a typically dysfunctional English village is converted into a "tightly-knit community"; with the girls still missing, the usually empty church is suddenly filled, with vicar, family and neighbours who never knew the victims all playing their roles. The length and breadth of the realm there are public displays of "mourning," though, as Dalrymple says, there must be something "tinny or ersatz in the outpouring of grief." How can there not be? Regret and quiet sorrow is one thing. But, when people weep, ululate, beat their breasts and surrender to wild Dianysian emotional feasting on the bier of someone unknown to them, they debase the very meaning of feeling.

These English spasms of masturbatory mawkishness are useful, because, in their crudely menacing way, they make explicit the coercive element in mass sentimentality. On this side of the Atlantic, the U.S. media have been looking for a Di phenomenon for some time, and did their best to fake one when John F. Kennedy Jr. died: If Diana was "the people's princess," then he was the people's socialite, the people's obscure magazine publisher, whatever. In fairness to those baying Brit morons, they did at least bother showing up. By contrast, the so-called floral tributes outside JFK's apartment were only ever shown in close-up, because the truth is that not only did they not begin to match the fields of tributes in Kensington Gardens, there was barely any more of a memorial than the roadside crosses and bouquets you see on the edge of a state highway when some anonymous kid gets hit by a drunk.

Which brings us to September 11th. In those first moments, no one quite knew what was happening, and so the events themselves set the tone. One plane hit, then another, then the Pentagon was smoking, the White House was evacuated, the towers crumbled, a plane crashed in Pennsylvania, there were other flights missing, there were bomb scares ... For a few hours that Tuesday it felt like the Third World War, and so commentators fell into war mode. And by the time the networks had shuttled Diane Sawyer, Barbara Walters and the other glamorous pain-feelers to the scene it was too late to revert to the banality of "healing" and "closure" and all the other guff of a soft-focus grief wallow. It's very, very rare for the media to be caught so off-guard by an event that they lose control of their ability to determine its meaning. Within minutes of JFK Jr's plane going down, for example, you know Dan Rather was dusting off his Camelot lyrics and the producers were ordering up their "America's Son" and "America's Prince" graphics.

But a year has gone by. And there seems to be an effort to do on the anniversary what they were unable to accomplish on the day: to make September 11th 2002 an occasion for "coping." George Jonas and I have written on this page about the American teachers' union's plans for the day as an occasion for therapy, complete with "healing tools, routines and rituals" and a "circle of feelings" designed to help students "feel better" and "comfort each other" by having their "feelings" about September 11th "validated" in a "non-judgmental" way.

If you think America's largest teachers' union is just some minor fringe group of no consequence, then what are we to make of the ceremonies at Ground Zero itself? New York's woeful mediocrity of a mayor, Mike Bloomberg, has decreed there are to be no speeches: Instead, Governor Pataki will recite the Gettysburg Address, just as the third-graders do on small-town New England commons on Memorial Day. The Gettysburg Address is a fine address, but it's nothing to do with September 11th. It's as if at Gettysburg Lincoln had been told, "Well, this speech looks a little controversial. Couldn't you just stand up and recite the Declaration of Independence?" The nullity of Bloomberg's planned ceremony is an acknowledgment, even in the most sorely wounded city in America, that one year on there is no agreement on what Sept. 11 means. To some, it calls forth righteous anger and bestselling kick-ass country songs. To others, far more influential in the culture, it demands "healing circles."

Look, I'm sorry if some school kids aren't feeling chipper. Tough. But 3,000 people died on Sept. 11, leaving a gaping hole in the lives of their children, parents, siblings and friends. Those of us who don't fall into those categories are not bereaved and, by pretending to be, we diminish the real pain of those who really feel it. That's not to say that, like many, I wasn't struck by this or that name that drifted up out of the great roll-call of the dead. Newsweek's Anna Quindlen "fastened on," as she put it, one family on the flight manifest:

Peter Hanson, Massachusetts

Susan Hanson, Massachusetts

Christine Hanson, 2 Massachusetts

As Miss Quindlen described them, "the father, the mother, the two-year old girl off on an adventure, sitting safe between them, taking wing." Christine Hanson will never be three, and I feel sad about that. But I did not know her, love her, cherish her; I do not feel her loss, her absence in my life. I have no reason to hold hands in a "healing circle" for her. All I can do for Christine Hanson is insist that the terrorist movement which killed her is hunted down and prevented from deliberately targeting any more two-year olds. We honour Christine Hanson's memory by righting the great wrong done to her, not by ersatz grief-mongering.

Elvis, Diana, September 11th. I was wrong to compare Diana with Elvis. Don't let them Dianafy September 11th.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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1 posted on 08/30/2002 8:35:04 AM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...
Pinging the Steyn list.
2 posted on 08/30/2002 8:35:57 AM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
All I can do for Christine Hanson is insist that the terrorist movement which killed her is hunted down and prevented from deliberately targeting any more two-year olds.

There's the message folks.

3 posted on 08/30/2002 8:38:20 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Pokey78
BTTT
4 posted on 08/30/2002 8:38:33 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Pokey78; 24Karet
Steyn bump
5 posted on 08/30/2002 8:40:13 AM PDT by Notforprophet
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To: Pokey78
Right on. as always. Steyn is great.
6 posted on 08/30/2002 8:41:20 AM PDT by Viet Vet in Augusta GA
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To: Pokey78
A woman of many affairs is deified while a potential Saint is ignored. Talk about the "madison avenue" approach to fame, this is it.

What does that tell you about society?
7 posted on 08/30/2002 8:45:46 AM PDT by poet
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To: Pokey78
BUMP!!!
8 posted on 08/30/2002 8:46:58 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: Pokey78
But 3,000 people died on Sept. 11, leaving a gaping hole in the lives of their children, parents, siblings and friends. Those of us who don't fall into those categories are not bereaved and, by pretending to be, we diminish the real pain of those who really feel it.

Very true. But this sentiment is about as popular as breaking wind in a stalled elevator.

This is modern America. Expressions of bereavement are now as lightly donned as any other fashionable item, but held in place by the firm glue of riteous indignation. To suggest one remove it is to invite the wrath we pretend we're saving for the terrorists.

9 posted on 08/30/2002 8:49:07 AM PDT by Snuffington
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To: Pokey78
"masturbatory mawkishness" Phrase of the month bump
10 posted on 08/30/2002 8:50:57 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: Pokey78
Right on the mark (pun intended), as usual.
11 posted on 08/30/2002 8:52:00 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: Pokey78
Another fine Steyn piece.
12 posted on 08/30/2002 8:55:20 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: Pokey78
Outstanding! I was sick last 9/11, and grateful to have been at home. I could not have functioned at work.

I plan to stay home this year. Whether I watch TV will depend upon the coverage.

13 posted on 08/30/2002 8:57:19 AM PDT by mombonn
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To: Pokey78
Thanks for the ping, my friend.
14 posted on 08/30/2002 8:59:14 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
My pleasure, King!
15 posted on 08/30/2002 8:59:53 AM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78; hchutch; AuntB; nunya bidness; GrandmaC; Washington_minuteman; buffyt; Grampa Dave; ...

Mark Steyn MEGA PING!!!


16 posted on 08/30/2002 8:59:56 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: Pokey78
Christine Hanson, 2 Massachusetts

When I think about the fact that these pigs murdered this family and their supporters danced in the street to celebrate it, I don't need Dan Rather to tell me how to feel.

Every time some arab muslim gets his ugly mug in front of a camera and marginalizes the slaughter of innocents for his bloodthirsty religion, I know exactly how to regard the vermin.

17 posted on 08/30/2002 9:02:22 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: Viet Vet in Augusta GA
Steyn Bump
18 posted on 08/30/2002 9:04:16 AM PDT by xp38
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To: Pokey78
Add me to the Steyn ping list please.

I love this man. His use of words continually verges on sheer eloquence...
19 posted on 08/30/2002 9:12:36 AM PDT by Toirdhealbheach Beucail
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To: Toirdhealbheach Beucail
You have been added.
20 posted on 08/30/2002 9:15:58 AM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78; JohnHuang2; Jeff Head
Well, here go the education thugs of the Lunatic Left in their attempt to whitewash and eventually change the history of 9/11.

Makes you wonder how much money has been contributed to the NEA by the Opecker Princes over the years.
21 posted on 08/30/2002 9:16:26 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Pokey78; carlo3b
Carlo3b wrote an essay over a year ago with much the same theme...although 9/11 hadn't happened yet.
22 posted on 08/30/2002 9:17:45 AM PDT by jellybean
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To: Pokey78
This guy can put an arrow through my heart everytime. Thanks for the ping.
23 posted on 08/30/2002 9:18:32 AM PDT by Damocles
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To: Pokey78
Another fine-Mr.-Steyn-piece BUMP.
24 posted on 08/30/2002 9:25:24 AM PDT by facedown
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To: Pokey78

Which brings us to September 11th. In those first moments, no one quite knew what was happening, and so the events themselves set the tone. One plane hit, then another, then the Pentagon was smoking, the White House was evacuated, the towers crumbled, a plane crashed in Pennsylvania, there were other flights missing, there were bomb scares ... For a few hours that Tuesday it felt like the Third World War, and so commentators fell into war mode. And by the time the networks had shuttled Diane Sawyer, Barbara Walters and the other glamorous pain-feelers to the scene it was too late to revert to the banality of "healing" and "closure" and all the other guff of a soft-focus grief wallow. It's very, very rare for the media to be caught so off-guard by an event that they lose control of their ability to determine its meaning. Within minutes of JFK Jr's plane going down, for example, you know Dan Rather was dusting off his Camelot lyrics and the producers were ordering up their "America's Son" and "America's Prince" graphics.

.....An observation so astute, it bears repeating.

25 posted on 08/30/2002 9:25:53 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: JohnHuang2
Thanks for the heads up!
26 posted on 08/30/2002 9:27:18 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Pokey78
Anna Quindlen said that? Isn't she a hard core liberal?
27 posted on 08/30/2002 9:28:31 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Alamo-Girl
Quite welcome =^)
28 posted on 08/30/2002 9:28:32 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: Pokey78
One observation that I made in the fall of 1997: Were it not for the over-the-top reaction and coverage of the death of Diana, the death and funeral of Mother Theresa the following month would not have gotten nearly the coverage that it did. The networks were essentially shamed into providing similar coverage to the person who actually deserved it.
29 posted on 08/30/2002 9:33:21 AM PDT by badfreeper
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To: Corin Stormhands
We honour Christine Hanson's memory by righting the great wrong done to her, not by ersatz grief-mongering.

I say we honor her memory next by invading Iraq.

30 posted on 08/30/2002 9:38:45 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Pokey78
If Steyn isn't the greatest columnist, I don't know who is. He summarizes my feelings to a T, about Diana, JFKJr, and 11 Sep 02.

On that day I plan on getting up, drinking coffee, going to work, going to class, coming home and drinking a good 'merican beer, thanking god and praying for the victims and their families throughout the day.
31 posted on 08/30/2002 9:41:53 AM PDT by JacksonCalhoun
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To: Pokey78
Bump
32 posted on 08/30/2002 9:43:31 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: KC_Conspirator
I say we honor her memory next by invading Iraq.

Works for me.

33 posted on 08/30/2002 10:04:49 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Pokey78
Just got in the door ... responded immediately to your always welcome Steyn ping!
34 posted on 08/30/2002 10:05:01 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: Corin Stormhands; Pokey78; All
I think that bears repeating:

All I can do for Christine Hanson is insist that the terrorist movement which killed her is hunted down and prevented from deliberately targeting any more two-year olds.

35 posted on 08/30/2002 10:08:26 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: scholar; Bullish
Ping
36 posted on 08/30/2002 10:18:39 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: Pokey78
The Gettysburg Address is a fine address, but it's nothing to do with September 11th.

I couldn't agree more. Better that George W. Bush's words of September 11, 2001 be quoted, "Freedom will be defended!"

37 posted on 08/30/2002 10:18:39 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: JacksonCalhoun
On that day I plan on getting up, drinking coffee, going to work, going to class, coming home and drinking a good 'merican beer, thanking god and praying for the victims and their families throughout the day.

Good for you, son. You're one good carpetbagger. ;o)

38 posted on 08/30/2002 10:21:22 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: Pokey78; JohnHuang2
***All I can do for Christine Hanson is insist that the terrorist movement which killed her is hunted down and prevented from deliberately targeting any more two-year olds. We honour Christine Hanson's memory by righting the great wrong done to her, not by ersatz grief-mongering. ***

BUMP!!BUMP!!

39 posted on 08/30/2002 10:32:31 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Mark Steyn -- the best columnist in the business.
40 posted on 08/30/2002 10:34:09 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: Pokey78
"But 3,000 people died on Sept. 11, leaving a gaping hole in the lives of their children, parents, siblings and friends. Those of us who don't fall into those categories are not bereaved and, by pretending to be, we diminish the real pain of those who really feel it."

Damn straight! Let the children, parents, siblings and friends grieve and have their memorials, but let them do it in private (literally and figuratively).

We're getting sick as hell of the media parading these people around as emotive freaks, with cameras so close you can count the nose hairs.

When folks die in a tragedy in a normal city, should the entire city drop what they are doing and "grieve" over someone they didn't give a damn about in the first place just to fit in with the emotional political correctness?

Sure thing, allow and respect the memorials by the children, parents, siblings and friends, but for the rest of you across the nation"...Get a grip and go find a constructive life...", and for you sicko media asses, you know where you can stick those cameras where your light meters won't register any light source...
41 posted on 08/30/2002 10:40:08 AM PDT by Vidalia
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To: Pokey78
We honour Christine Hanson's memory by righting the great wrong done to her, not by ersatz grief-mongering.

Once more, Steyn speaks forth the truth out of background confusion.

This was not an "accident", like Diana or John-John. It was not a self-inflicted death, like Marilyn.

It was an act of WAR! That War continues to this day, much to the chagrin and opposition of the syrupy Left.

Much of what is going on today is to prevent our further, successful prosecution of that War, which should be dedicated to bringing an ignominious end to those who foisted it upon us by murdering thousands of our innocent countrymen.

A pox on this NEA crowd, the professional celebrity mourners and unfocusing disemblers! What is needed is determined military action until all those who are responsible follow the same fate as their hapless and helpless victims. That, and only that, will begin to right the wrong and bring justice and safety to those who remain.

42 posted on 08/30/2002 10:43:17 AM PDT by Gritty
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<< Another fine Steyn piece. >>

Isn't that the name once used by the person who once held Willie Brown's current sinicure?

[Sorry it just slipped out]
43 posted on 08/30/2002 10:46:33 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Pokey78
I'm not going to do anything out of the ordinary on September 11th. If terrorism alters our lives, the terrorists win, wasn't that the message?

Have a dinner out. Go to a Broadway play. Buy a car. Get on a plane and f l y. That's my patriotic duty.

44 posted on 08/30/2002 10:49:02 AM PDT by Tall_Texan
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To: Pokey78
a weird hybrid of American victim culture and English yob culture

Scary.

45 posted on 08/30/2002 10:50:01 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: Corin Stormhands; Pokey78; JohnHuang2
<< All I can do for Christine Hanson is insist that the terrorist movement which killed her is hunted down and prevented from deliberately targeting any more two-year olds.

There's the message folks. >>

Amen.

And thank You, Dear Lord, that you put America's President and Armed Forces Commander In Chief, George Walker Bush, in the Right place at the Right time so that we will see that very job taken care of in timely and manly fashion!
46 posted on 08/30/2002 10:51:10 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Pokey78
A side note to the margarine reference. Around the time margarine was being introduced the dairy people got on a law to prevent it from being coloured yellow and appear like butter. I'm not sure if it's still in force in Quebec or not. I believe it was in force here in Ontario at one time but has long since either been ignored or repealed.
47 posted on 08/30/2002 10:59:50 AM PDT by xp38
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To: Pokey78
BTTT
48 posted on 08/30/2002 11:42:39 AM PDT by hattend
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To: Pokey78
Ahhh, Mark Steyn. You gotta love this guy. I wish all writers were as gifted as dear Mr. Steyn!

Maybe I'll dedicate a torch song to him in tribute...

Imal

49 posted on 08/30/2002 12:14:31 PM PDT by Imal
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To: Vidalia
We're getting sick as hell of the media parading these people around as emotive freaks, with cameras so close you can count the nose hairs.

I hate to be the only one not jumping on the bandwagon (ok, I don't really hate it), but I really don't want to hear any opinions on how WE should grieve unless it comes direcly from the victims' families.

Not that I'm a fan of the media, but keep in mind that if the media is "parading" anyone around, it isn't done without their consent. The media certainly couldn't get me to do anything I didn't want to do, and I have to give enough credit to these people as well. So if they're there, it's because they want to be there, and they have their own reasons for that, whether you like them or not.

This Steyn fellow may have some good points, maybe the "healing circles" are a bit much, but I really don't care what a Canadian journalist, who admits he doesn't feel bereaved, thinks about any of this.

Yes, we should right the wrongs by combatting terrorism, that goes without saying. But anyone who doesn't feel any pain or loss, who doesn't want to partake in any kind of ceremony, is free not to do so. How others choose to commemorate this day is their business. Everyone has their way of mourning. I, for one, think the day deserves a moment of silence, but it doesn't matter what I think.

Until I hear from a victim's family who says "leave us alone and cool it with the ceremonies already," I will respect the efforts made to commemorate this day, even if I don't partake in them.

50 posted on 08/30/2002 12:51:39 PM PDT by Motherhood IS a career
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