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I took the Simon Gay Agenda-SCAM -Hook, Line and Sinker.
http://simonforgovernor.com ^ | 8/31/02 | jimbaugh

Posted on 08/31/2002 5:22:39 PM PDT by Jimbaugh

Edited on 08/31/2002 10:15:54 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: ElkGroveDan
Ping
21 posted on 08/31/2002 6:48:26 PM PDT by Gophack
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To: Jimbaugh
So vote for Davis.
22 posted on 08/31/2002 6:53:04 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: William Creel
Maybe people should of listened

Wanna make that "should have"?

23 posted on 08/31/2002 6:55:16 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: .38sw; 1 FELLOW FREEPER; 101viking; 1lawlady; 2Fro; 357 SIG; 3_if_by_Treason; 45Auto; 4aardvarks; ..
REALLY IMPORTANT PING
24 posted on 08/31/2002 7:07:53 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: Princeliberty
On the very public Vote Smart questionnaire, Bill Simon said clearly that he OPPOSED civil unions for same-sex couples, which is the same thing as domestic partnerships. That questionnaire is put out by a non-partisan, albeit left of center organization, and you can't accuse Simon of talking out of both sides of his mouth with that.

His comments were taken out of context, twisted, and put in the worst possible light. Ray Haynes and Dick Mountjoy are good conservative leaders who are supporting Bill Simon, and I'll stick with them. And with Bill. People who jumped all over Simon were obviously just waiting for one little slip up so they could bail. The fact is, you'll never agree with anyone 100% of the time, but Bill Simon is a viable CONSERVATIVE candidate who understands that to win an election as a pro-life CONSERVATIVE in California, he has to talk about issues that people care about: education, the economy, etc. Simon is our best hope against Gray Davis AND he's head and shoulders above the last Republican governor, Pete Wilson.

25 posted on 08/31/2002 7:23:15 PM PDT by Gophack
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To: Princeliberty
The story was form the start that Simon had stateed his was for Domestic Partnerships.

Well lessee now. Last October was about as close "to the start" as you can get. I found this little tid bit on his web site from October 11, 2001:

Simon Calls for Davis to Veto AB 25 'Undermines Marriage and the Will of the Voters'

So how many languages can you say, "I was wrong and I apologize for besmirching the good name of Bill Simon?"

26 posted on 08/31/2002 7:24:02 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: Bella_Bru
Well, well, well.
27 posted on 08/31/2002 7:28:16 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Princeliberty
"Simon clearly seems to trying to support gay right but then when speaking to conservatives deny that he is."

What is that? Some sort of pigeon english you be speakin dare? Sorry, but you're really hard ta unnurstan!!! Furthermore, are you sure you understand all you know about this situation???

Seriously, look what you wrote and forgive me if I'm hurting your feelings, but... Oh, nevermind! I don't even know you and maybe it's not your fault. Maybe you're just putting me on and I stepped into it. Sometimes I deliberately write and spell poorly just to irritate the grammer and spelling Nazis, so nevermind.

28 posted on 08/31/2002 7:40:11 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: Princeliberty
Era incorrecto y me disculpo por besmirching el buen nombre de la cuenta Simon.

-Princeliberty
29 posted on 08/31/2002 7:45:54 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: Princeliberty
J'avais tort et je fais des excuses pour besmirching le bon nom de Bill Simon

-Princeliberty
30 posted on 08/31/2002 7:47:48 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: Princeliberty
Ich war falsch und ich entschuldige mich für das Besmirching den guten Namen der Bill Simon.

-Princeliberty
31 posted on 08/31/2002 7:49:18 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: Jimbaugh
Well, I am still disappointed in Bill.

Unless I missed it, none of what has been posted here refutes that Simon supposedly said that

1) As governor he would proclaim a Gay Pride Day

2) That he supports making the Log Cabin Republicans an official GOP group

3) That he supports domestic partners for everyone, not just for gays.

4) That he would not try to change any of the already pro-gay legislation (didn't the rats just pass a gay foster care & adoption bill?)

Obviously, I will still vote for Simon, but this definitely makes him look like he is going to bring us down the same slipperly slope, just a little slower than Davis would. It just tends to soften up pubbies for inevitable gay onslaught.

The whole thing was just so unnecessary. It makes Simon look like just another two-faced politician who will say anything to get elected.

To top it off, it will not likely bring him in a single vote. Those who vote on the gay agenda are certainly not going to vote for Simon when they can have Davis, and it definitely will depress his voter base of support. What idiot is advising him, anyway????

In order to get elected, you have to energize your base. What he did is just the opposite. He's worlds ahead of Davis on every issue, but he was already having problems, and this sure doesn't help him, that's for sure.

32 posted on 08/31/2002 7:49:30 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: Jimbaugh
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BILL SIMON'S ANSWERS TO THE LOG CABIN REPUBLICANS OF CALIFORNIA QUESTIONNAIRE
Answers Submitted August 20, 2002

1. Governor Jerry Brown, by executive order, prohibited discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in state employment. Every governor since has left this executive order in place. Will you?

Yes, I would. I believe that the state of California should be a progressive employer and provide protection for workers in case of discrimination. The executive order has worked well.

2. Will your campaign and administration hire gays and lesbians in all three branches of California government, and appoint qualified gays and lesbians to judicial positions, including senior positions?

I am committed to appointing the best people serve in positions high and low in my administration. I do not believe that inquiry into a person's sexual orientation is proper in the process of choosing staff. There are a number of gay and lesbian people in my business, and campaign. My record of including all people is very clear, and it would certainly continue in the Governor's office.

3. Would you support the continued recognition and involvement of gay Republicans in state party activities?

I support the continued recognition and involvement of gay Republicans in state party activities.

4. Would you back a state party charter for the Log Cabin Republican Party of California?

I would back a state party charter for the Log Cabin of California.

5. Log Cabin Republicans of California have been involved in the State Republican party for 25 years. What is your opinion about the good this organization has done in the State Party?

I believe that the Log Cabin Republicans have provided a voice for members of our party who find that the Democratic party does not represent them on a whole range of issues, whether they be the economy, education, personal liberty, or the environment. I am pleased that the Log Cabin Republicans have made substantial contributions to our party.

6. Although already permitted by sate law, are you prepared to endorse the right of gays and lesbians to visit their ill partners in the hospital?

I fully support hospital visitation, and other rights, for domestic partners. I am opposed to workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation.

7. As governor, would you or your appointees to the UC Regents seek to repeal or leave in place the domestic partner employment benefits provided by the UC Regents?

I would leave them in place. The Regents of the University of California have concluded that offering this benefit assists the University in attracting the quality staff it is seeking.

8. Currently the California Public Employees Retirement System (PERS) offers health benefits, including medical, dental and vision insurance, to the domestic partners of eligible state employees. As governor, would you or your appointees to the governing board of PERS leave in place the domestic partner benefits currently offered by the provided through PERS?

Yes, I would. The California Public Employees Retirement System have concluded that offering this benefit is consistent with our history as a progressive employer and provides protection for workers in case of discrimination.

9. What is your position on AIDS funding in an era of severe budget cuts?

I believe that public health is an important function of government. AIDs funding is an important component of that effort. My own personal contributions to AIDs research and prevention indicate my support for funding.

10. Do you support existing state law, as passes by the voters, and the recent State Supreme Court ruling upholding this law, allowing the doctor-prescribed use of marijuana for medical purposes?

I supported the medical marijuana initiative, Proposition 215, when it was on the ballot in November 1996. I know that the federal government is opposed to the measure. As Governor, I would seek to find common ground with the federal government so that we can avoid politicizing this issue and instead rely on medical evidence in implementing the will of the people of California.

11. Currently before the State legislature is AB 1785, which would allow individuals to purchase needles and syringes from a pharmacy without a doctor's prescription. A significant portion of the medical community feel that this is a constructive response to controlling the transference of the HIV virus by the sharing of needles among addicts. What are your views on this legislation?

SB1785 repeals the requirement for a prescription to purchase hypodermic needles or syringes for human use if the purchaser is 18 or older in controlled circumstances. It has passed the State Senate and now is under consideration by the Assembly. It has been amended since its Senate passage, but is still opposed by the California Narcotics Officers Association, California Police Chiefs Association, and the California Peace Officers Association. I understand that this legislation would complement the 1999 legislation that which allows a local jurisdiction to distribute needles or syringes in a syringe exchange program upon declaring a local emergency exists due to a local public health crisis. I know that 44 states currently allow their residents to purchase syringes and needles without a prescription. I am hopeful that the author can resolve the issues with law enforcement.

12. Do you support or oppose company policies that offer workplace domestic partnership benefit programs?

Companies that decide to offer workplace domestic partnership benefit programs are exercising the freedom that employers have in our country to offer incentives to their employees so that the ability of the employer to attract a workforce that maximizes the employer's competitiveness is realized. In today's competitive world, I believe that all employers are well advised to do all that they can to attract employees who can contribute to the goals of the company, without regard to personal attributes or characteristics that are irrelevant to those goals.

13. Does your own company have a domestic partnership benefit program in place? If not, what has you company done to proactively offer you employees domestic partnership benefits?

My company presently does not offer a domestic partnership benefit program simply because there has not been a request for such. I believe our human resources policies are very responsive to the needs of our employees and we would be responsive in this area as well.

14. Do you support existing law on domestic partnerships?

I believe that any two people who fit the qualifications of the law should be able to have their relationship recognized by the state. However, I do not believe that sexual orientation should be a factor in the recognition by the state of such relationships. I would not support undoing any of the rights that currently are available under the law, but I believe those rights should be extended to others as well. In addition, I would be open about adding rights and responsibilities as would be appropriate and justified.

15. Currently before the State Legislature is AB 1080, which if enacted, would prohibit state agencies from entering into contracts with vendors who do not offer benefits to domestic partner employees. In your opinion, is this an appropriate exercise of state government?

There have several issues raised with regard to the bill as it is currently written, including how the state would verify that a bidder did in fact offer the same benefits to employees with registered domestic partners as it did to employees with spouses, the increased potential for litigation if this legislation did result in bids being disqualified, and the increase in contract costs to the state. I support portable health policies so individuals can choose their own coverage.

16. Would you seek to repeal or modify legislation signed by Governor Davis facilitating adoptions by same sex couples?

No, I would not seek to repeal this legislation.

17. Currently before the State Legislature is AB 2651, which establishes training guidelines for foster parents of gay and lesbian youth. In your opinion, is this an appropriate exercise of state government?

While this bill has been amended four times as it has proceeded through the legislative process, it has continued to address the same subject since its introduction. The bill makes explicit the current rights of children and providers in the foster care system relating to sexual orientation and religion. This appears to be a supportable concept; however, I would have to see the final language to be sure that the bill accomplished its goals and did so in a manner that enhanced the foster care system.

18. What is your philosophy about same-sex marriages?

Many people are cynical about those who seek public office, believing that they will say anything to get elected. It is my desire to help restore civility and honesty in the discussion of public policy. I will not say one thing in one situation and another in a different situation just to further my chances to get elected. In the primary campaign I stated that, "marriage is an institution that should remain between one man and one woman." I stand by that statement. However, I do believe that human beings enter into relationships with other human beings and that some of those relationships are deserving of recognition, not as the equivalent to marriage, or as a substitute for marriage, but in order to allow two individuals who have established a strong caring relationship to more fully function within that relationship.

19. Would your administration issue Gay Pride Day proclamations as past administrations have done?

Yes, in June 2003 I will sign a proclamation declaring Gay Pride Day.

20. Please examine your reasons for opposing AB 25?

I would not seek to repeal AB 25. I believe sexual orientation should be removed from the qualification under these provisions so that the benefits could accrue to other couples in a close relationship. As such, I am open to extending further benefits as appropriate and justified.

21. In the past you have said, "the state should not be in the business of trying to classify people or confer rights based on sexual orientation." What does that mean operationally? Would you seek to indo any, or all, current laws that distinguish sexual orientation (for example in employment, housing, health, domestic partnerships, etc.)?

A Simon Administration would strongly enforce laws that make it illegal to discriminate against people in employment, housing and health. I believe that the existing domestic partnership law is explicitly based on sexual orientation. I would prefer that it was not. As a general rule, I think the government should stay out of the business of classifying people based on their sexual orientation. It is a slippery slope that could be problematic in the future. However, I am supportive of the concept of a domestic partnership law, and I would not seek to repeal the current law.

22. SCA 9 is a proposed state constitutional amendment that, along with the current exemption for marriage and certain family members, would exempt people who live together (cohabitants) from higher taxes due to reappraisal of property if their partner has died or has been diagnosed with a terminal disease. Do you join Senators Ross Johnson, Tom McClintock, Bruce McPherson, and Ray Haynes in supporting this amendment?

This Constitutional Amendment would exclude transfers of personal residences from the current definition of purchase or change in ownership when the transfers occur between co-owners and cohabitants who have resided in the home for at least five years prior to the transfer and when the transfer is made because one party dies or is diagnosed with a terminal disease. This appears to be a supportable concept; however, I would have to see the final language to be sure that the measure accomplished its goals.

23. SB 1945 extends the period to file a complaint with FEHA from one year to three years after any hate crime is alleged to have been committer. Do you support such legislation?

This bill has been amended three times. In its current form it extends the one-year deadline for filing a verified complaint with State Department of Fair Employment and Housing alleging violations of the Ralph Civil Rights Act, to a period of time, not to exceed one year form the date the person aggrieved by an alleged violation, becomes aware of the identity of a person liable for the alleged violation, but in no case exceeding three years from the date of the alleged violation. This appears to be a supportable concept; however, I would have to see the final language to be sure that the bill appropriately accomplished its goals.

24. The following is legislation before the state Legislature that establishes legal equality for partners in civil unions/domestic partnerships. Which could you support and why? Which could you not support and why?

AB 2216: Inheritance of jointly owned property in cases where no will
exists:

At one time, this provision was included in AB 25; however, it was deleted at the request of the Governor. I do not have a position at this time.

AB 2777: Allowing county governments to use general county funds to pay spousal-equivalent benefits to a survivor of a county employee who dies:

This bill makes domestic partners of county employees in specified categories eligible for certain death benefits and survivor benefits subject to approval by the board of supervisors of the county. It only applies to Santa Barbara, Los Angeles and Marin Counties, all of which provide retirement benefits under the County Employees' Retirement Law of 1937. I support empowering local government to make their own decisions.

SB 1661: Mandating that private employers provide family disability insurance, either through private insurance or payment to the State Disability fund:

This is a highly controversial measure that creates, within the State Disability Insurance program, a family temporary disability insurance program to provide up to 12 weeks of wage replacement benefits to workers who take time off work to care for a seriously ill child, spouse, parent, domestic partner, or to bond with a new child.

I do not have a position at this time.
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33 posted on 08/31/2002 7:54:06 PM PDT by Texas Eagle
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To: ElkGroveDan; Gophack
I've avoiding commenting on the controversy until the whole story started presenting itself.

If true what was alleged, then it could have been the biggest blunder of the Simon campaign. But I held out that it could be leftist divide-and-conquer strategy designed to scare off Republicans from the polling booth.

No matter what happens during this campaign, we must NOT LET THEM DETER US FROM OUR DUTY AT THE BALLOT BOX. This is our best chance in years to make gains in Sacramento. If not in November, when?
34 posted on 08/31/2002 7:58:29 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: Aunt Polgara
"Obviously, I will still vote for Simon, but this definitely makes him look like he is going to bring us down the same slipperly slope, just a little slower than Davis would. It just tends to soften up pubbies for inevitable gay onslaught."

When you vote for the lesser of two evils, you get.....

35 posted on 08/31/2002 8:02:23 PM PDT by realpatriot
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To: realpatriot
When you vote for the lesser of two evils, you get.....

Yup, you delay the perhaps inevitable (while trying to turn the tide in the other direction).

Half a loaf is better than starvation in my book.

36 posted on 08/31/2002 8:05:48 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: jokar
Uh they both gay.

Really? Linda Rhondstat is a lesbian?

37 posted on 08/31/2002 8:07:09 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: Aunt Polgara
"Half a loaf is better than starvation in my book."

So why can't we have a "whole loaf" candidate like Ronald Reagan anymore??????????????

38 posted on 08/31/2002 8:10:00 PM PDT by realpatriot
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To: voa-davidk; Rockitz; Jimbaugh; CyberAnt; Saundra Duffy; Poohbah
Hey, voa-davidk, you posted the liberal propaganda on the 28th here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/741082/posts
39 posted on 08/31/2002 8:13:55 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: ElkGroveDan
I have to wonder just how many FReepers are from California and of those how many are registered to vote and of those how many really vote and of those that really vote how many will really vote for Simon and if none of us voted for Simon would it make a rats ess of a difference in the election ?

I WILL VOTE FOR SIMON because the alternative is four more years of G. Doofus Davis.
40 posted on 08/31/2002 8:16:29 PM PDT by tubebender
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