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Monday, September 2, 2002

Quote of the Day by BibChr

1 posted on 09/02/2002 4:56:15 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Second, to be libertarian is not necessarily to be a libertine. A libertine is a hedonist, a devotee of personal pleasure, whereas a libertarian is one who defends the libertine and his lifestyle against the heavy hand of government. This does not mean the two should ever be equated,...

Well, maybe if these guys would discuss something other than legalizing pot at any of their rallies then, given a century or two, the stereotype they've forged for themselves might fade away!

I was a libertarian once, but I got sick of the de-facto priority assigned to legalizing pot.

2 posted on 09/02/2002 5:05:55 AM PDT by The Duke
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By the way, I'll go so far as to assert that God, in addition to being a monarchist, also has strongly libertarian leanings. How else can you describe an all-powerful king who goes so far as to let his creation choose whether to obey him or not? Liberty is all about the individual freedom to choose, and those who try to deny it are not on the side of the angels no matter what they might think.

No, I'm not "pro-choice" in the sense of pro-abortion terminology – quite the opposite. This stays well within the framework of Libertarian logic because there are, quite obviously, at least two parties involved, possibly even three. The fact that one is incapable of consent only makes the Libertarian anti-abortion argument that much more clear.

YES!! I have considered myself a voice in the Libertarian wilderness for years on this issue. Finally, someone makes the case. Christian spirituality is completely congruous with the Libertarian positions of absolute freedom outside of violating another's rights. Thanks for the post, John!

3 posted on 09/02/2002 5:07:26 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: *libertarians
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5 posted on 09/02/2002 5:09:35 AM PDT by JediGirl
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To: JohnHuang2
Liberty is all about the individual freedom to choose, and those who try to deny it are not on the side of the angels no matter what they might think.

In its best and most full sense, liberty is about allowing men in a society to implement that set of laws that is most conducive to freedom and prosperity.

Allowing men to be laws unto themselves may be the most libertarian approach, but it is also the most Hobbesian. It is anarchy or tribalism by any other name.

That society in which the citizens are allowed free access to implement and change laws by participating in government is the best of all and most exalts the rationality of the Creator.

6 posted on 09/02/2002 5:10:21 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: JohnHuang2
False idols of ideology: Vox Day eviscerates democracy and the republic

Lady Vox may be a nasty dragon, but I wouldn't go *that* far...


12 posted on 09/02/2002 1:03:11 PM PDT by Dan Day
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To: JohnHuang2
The truth is, neither I nor any other Libertarian can say precisely what is the true and proper size of government that would maximize individual freedom and liberty.

A theonomist can cite a very handy rule of thumb, based on I Samuel 8. When civil government starts demanding more from us than God does, it's too big. When taxation at all levels exceeds 10% of the citizen's income, The State casts loose restraints and becomes a rapacious, ravenous beast.

32 posted on 10/22/2002 12:19:15 PM PDT by TomSmedley
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Libertarian Party nutball defender of the day .... Libertarians cannot and will not be taken seriously anytime soon. The party is hypocritical, it is not interested in Liberty, and most of its backers don't even understand the true definition of Liberty.
34 posted on 10/22/2002 12:23:58 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: JohnHuang2
By the way, I'll go so far as to assert that God, in addition to being a monarchist, also has strongly libertarian leanings. How else can you describe an all-powerful king who goes so far as to let his creation choose whether to obey him or not?

What utter crap.

One can freely choose whether to obey the laws of the state or nation in which he lives, too. There is a sniper out east who is willfully disobeying a whole passel of 'em.

What you can't choose is the consequences. When a libertine scofflaw is caught by the police, he has one set of consequences to contend with. When he is ultimately judged by God, he will have another set of conseqeunces to contend with. I suspect that given his druthers, he'd druther contend with the consequences imposed by the police.

The fact that God is slow to execute judgment should not be interpreted as indifference or tolerance.

37 posted on 10/22/2002 4:23:38 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: JohnHuang2
I noticed this in my briefcase a few minutes ago, and thought it worthy of a bump. I wonder how many rabid anti-libertarians will actually read it?

Pity it only got a meager number of responses.
54 posted on 05/16/2003 10:25:45 PM PDT by Don W (Lead, follow, or get outta the way!)
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