[therut]

I personally think CCL's are unconstitutional. I had a hard time talking myself into getting a permit to carry. I had to be fingerprinted,pay a fee and take a shooting class and sign a loyality pledge to my state. I thought it was much to do aboout nothing except 120.00. The reason I finally caved in to do it was I did not want to be arrested and NEVER be able to own or carry a firearm again if I did not. So yes the government won. Before this law was passed in Arkansas it was not aganist the law to carry concealed. Now it is if you do not play the game and be permited to do so. Did the constitution win in this case???

[umgud]

I agree with your assessment. We shouldn't need a permit. In Il you can barely own a handgun and crime is rampant in the major cities. In Vermont you can carry concealed without a permit and their crime rates are extremely low.