180 Degrees of Separation

www.newsmax.com ^ | Sept. 5, 2002 | Diane Alden

[Black Agnes]

The body politic has changed and will continue to change. It is true especially with uncontrolled immigration, in which the ethnic minorities invariably vote left, which means they vote for Democrats. Voting records show this is the case. The only minorities that are exceptions are Cuban refugees and some Asian communities.

Why is this so hard for some freepers to grasp? We don't have the demographics to stop government growth now, why are we importing MORE people who vote big government every time they get a chance? We only end up further behind and less able to even set an agenda.

[headsonpikes]

"This is the way the left works."

They're 'progressive', don't you know, like cancer.

[Black Agnes]

Interesting article ping!

[Nat Turner]

Hmmm is this how the southerners felt in 1859??

better hid the guns.. . .

[Black Agnes]

Move to the NE or West Coast and live there and immerse yourself in the Goron culture for a while. You'll see that there is no reconciling the two. Sooner or later, something will happen. The two visions of American can't be reconciled. One wants small government and low taxes, the other wants the nanny state and tax somebody else. I live in the heart of the kind of people that elected Hillary. Nothing Bush does or says or ever *will* do or say will make them accept him or anything he does/says. Ever. They are diametrically oppopsed to everything he stands for. Every gesture he makes to their beliefs they'll return 10 fold in big government. A few of them think he's basically a nice guy, somebody you'd have a game of softball with. But, they certainly don't want his 'kind' running things or setting social agendas. HeavenForbid! They think the war on terror is about Bush's big oil interests, they think the Iraq thing is his getting even for his Dad's loss/etc. They've been brainwashed thoroughly and there is no hope. The lights are on but nobody is home.

[John O]

Conservatives and libertarians don't wish them ill

I agreed with everything but this. The Christian in me cries for them to repent and be made whole. The American in me cries for justice to be done and for them to rot in unmourned graves. The left has destroyed this country and attacked my way of life. They are barely recognizable as human.

(I better stop here before I go into serious rant mode)

God Save America (Please)

[Consort]

We don't have the demographics to stop government growth now, why are we importing MORE people who vote big government every time they get a chance?

The answer is in the article, throughout the article.

[Black Agnes]

Exactly. I'd expect DEMOCRATS to support importing this kind of voter (why do you think Teddy the Swimmer started the ball rolling in 1965?) but for pubbies to think it's a good idea is simply amazing. I want some of whatever Kool-Aid they're drinking. We will end up another 3rd world Socialist hell hole. Like Europe is headed now...it'll take us a generation or two to get there but we're headed there full speed ahead now. It's only a matter of time.

[Consort]

No single party can change what is happening. Only both parties working together can have an impact and, at present, the Democrats are happy with the status quo.

[Djarum]

I doubt secession would be anymore successful. The statist religious right and libertarians are in just as much opposition as socialist liberals and conservatives. We were provided with an excellent arbiter of ideological schism--the Constitution--but unfortunately it is no longer part of the popular agenda.

[Black Agnes]

And so, apparently are the pubbies. They're not even putting up a fight. Pubbies that do speak up are soundly thrashed by the pubbie leadership. The dims tolerate and even stand behind their eccentrics, the pubbies flail and burn theirs.

[Stefan Stackhouse]

But the Democrat party is not nearly the monolithic institution that this author suggests. The fault lines run very deep, and it is a very difficult thing to keep together. Indeed, it may very well be that were the Republican party to dissolve, a split in the Democrat party would become inevitable. Out of one of the successor parties might just come something that could be worked with.

[Just another Joe]

Very thought provoking article.
It WOULD be nice if all the constitutional conservatives, and even the small 'l' libertarians could move to one state and then secceed but I won't hold my breath until it happens.

[x]

Alarmist nonsense. The country is not more divided now than it was in the past. Contrast the situation today with the "Culture Wars" of the 80s and 90s: how much more restrained and pacific the mood on those fronts is today than in those days. Of course activists left and right make proclaimations. They always do. And of course there are regional differences. But people do a fine job of working together. Sometimes, it looks like everything is going to fall apart, but this is a common experience. What matters isn't the ideologues or bureaucrats, but the wider public.

Secession is just walking away, not a solution or resolution. These articles are a little like someone who only has a hammer using it for every other purpose, as a wrench, as a screwdriver, etc. The writer has secession on his or her mind and doesn't bother to consider other possibilities. It's a sign of a weak mind to say "separate, separate," whenever controversies arise.

There is no instance of a people inhabiting even a small island, if remote from foreign danger, and sometimes in spite of that pressure, who are not divided into alien, rival, hostile tribes. The happy Union of these States is a wonder; their Constn. a miracle; their example the hope of Liberty throughout the world. Woe to the ambition that would meditate the destruction of either!

--James Madison

"The advice nearest to my heart and deepest in my convictions is that the Union of the States be cherished and perpetuated. Let the open enemies to it be regarded as a Pandora with her box opened; and the disguised one, as the serpent creeping with his deadly wiles into Paradise."

-James Madison

I regret that I am now to die in the belief, that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776, to acquire self-government and happiness to their country, is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons, and that my only consolation is to be, that I live not to weep over it. If they would but dispassionately weigh the blessings they will throw away, against an abstract principle more likely to be effected by union than by scission, they would pause before they would perpetrate this act of suicide on themselves, and of treason against the hopes of the world.

-- Thomas Jefferson

[rmlew]

Why is it that when Peter Brimlow wrote about immigrants being leftist in Alien Nation he was called a racist (and his site Vdare.com banned from FR) but when liberals note the obvious, they are called inciteful?

[Black Agnes]

Um, yes, might I ask what part of the country you call home? Please visit the NE's large cities. Immerse yourself in their 'culture' and tell me there is reconciliation possible.

[Black Agnes]

Because it's always useful to demagogue conservatives when they merely *peep* about anything to do with culture or *gasp* race. I'm a scientist and therefore not a firm believe in 'race' per se. I do believe in culture tho. I also think my country's culture is superior to all others. In my country it isn't OK to molest young children, slaughter goats in suburban backyards, or use the public sidewalk as a latrine. I understand these are perfectly acceptable practices in *other* cultures but when the members of said *other* culture come to my country I insist they respect *my* country's culture. For this, I have been labeled a racist by the bots. Sad. America is *not* a race, it *is* a culture tho.

My ancestors didn't come here to be *white* but they did come here to be free. Recent immigrants by and large only come here for financial gain and care little about the freedoms the founding fathers fought for so long as their welfare checks arrive on time and their ballots are in a language they prefer.

[Nat Turner]

Id rather commit harikiri . . . .

[driftless]

You are so right! You're not the only person who has friends and family members who hate Republicans and cannot discuss issues without resorting to name-calling. I have two sisters who both make over 100 grand working for a major corporation more than twice what yours truly makes. Yet the only thing they could talk about the last time we met was how much they despised Bush and how sad it is that the U.S is run by "terrible white males". I finally asked my oldest sister, who has quite a lot of kale saved up (which let her give my parents a brand new European car ..Audi or something like that...among other luxuries), if her life was terrible. She admitted that she was living pretty good. Then I asked her what she was complaining about. She had no answer.

All my three sisters are (1) ardent Democrats and (2) have a dismal knowledge of current events and economic facts. The two situations seem to go together.