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To: jackbob; secretagent
I agree with you, ... this is the big question that Economics asks. "Should one group of people be made to pay the costs of something which is a benefit to others?"

There is no "problems with solutions", like they say so often on the left, only trade-offs. Someone will benefit, and someone will pay the cost of that benefit.

That doesn't necessarily mean that it's always wrong to do so. Only that both sides of the question should be considered.

And I'm very pleased that the question has been raised here.

As for me, I say displace. The costs to fixing housing pricing are much higher in terms of reduced quality of life, than anyone has addressed here.

Apart from those undocumented costs, there are decades of data available to how fixed housing costs raised overall housing costs and reduced availability in New York. I can personally remember acres of abandoned buildings in Queens (which by the way are all re-occupied since rent controls have been grandfathered away) because the landlord couldn't justify the costs of occupation.

And in spite of the nonsense said earlier, there is not an endless supply of people willing to pay X to live in the south Bronx. They will only pay X for housing which meets their expectations of the value of X, so supply and demand will (of course) work in New York, as it does everywhere. Manhattan is an island, and Staten Island obviously is an island. Even Brooklyn and Queens are on the Island of "Long Island". But the problem of limited floorspace was solved with the invention of the elevator, so supply of housing has continued to expand in New York City, even though the space available has (for the most part) not.

But the argument over fixed housing costs is moot. It has been settled by history. And history has sided against Keynes, and with Hayek.

Government economic controls don't work the way they are intended. And that obvious if you judge them by their result instead of their intent.

22 posted on 09/07/2002 6:29:58 AM PDT by tcostell
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To: tcostell
We are talking Manhattan when we talk rent controls. That's where the huge majority of rent-regulated apartments are. The South Bronx is where East Siders and residents of Little Italy would have to move if rent controls were abolished---out of neighborhoods in which their familes have lived for generations and where they have lived for decades. Not everyone in NY is upwardly mobile.

During the 1997 crisis in rent protections, someone coined the phrase "economic cleansing." That is what a lot of people would like.

Also, New York is an island but that has nothing to do with it. It is also made of granite, so massive foundations are not necessary in order to build skyscrapers. Mother Nature has already supplied the foundation. That is why NYC looks the way it does. Theoretically, there is unlimited housing here, as opposed to places where the height of buildings is regulated, like Fire Island and Aspen.

25 posted on 09/07/2002 9:27:19 AM PDT by firebrand
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