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With you at the first, with you to the last.

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 09/06/2002 12:14:27 AM PDT by MadIvan
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2 posted on 09/06/2002 12:14:53 AM PDT by MadIvan
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5 posted on 09/06/2002 12:23:17 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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This is a calculated slap in the face to Weird Bill, my friends - Ivan

I thought he was friends with the impeached ex-President. What happened?

6 posted on 09/06/2002 12:25:03 AM PDT by altair
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Thanks, old friend, for the ping , the post, and Tony's support ! :-)
7 posted on 09/06/2002 12:25:58 AM PDT by nopardons
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Hear! Hear!

Jolly good show!

8 posted on 09/06/2002 12:30:01 AM PDT by Southack
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If your bored check out the chat room.

http://chat.agitator.dynip.com/
9 posted on 09/06/2002 12:31:15 AM PDT by Fearless Flyers
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This contrasts sharply to what's coming out of Europe, notably from Germany.

It's one thing to obtain a token resolution from the U.N. to appease international leftists.

It's quite another for an ostensibly sovereign nation to balk at deploying its own troops in support of an ally without the blessing of a third party global bureaucracy.
11 posted on 09/06/2002 12:34:33 AM PDT by j271
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"This is a calculated slap in the face to Weird Bill, my friends - Ivan"

Bush is light years ahead of Clinton in character and honesty. Tell Tony to fire away at Mob Boss Clinton.

13 posted on 09/06/2002 12:38:27 AM PDT by defenderSD
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To: MadIvan
This is a calculated slap in the face to Weird Bill, my friends - Ivan

What happened between Wierd Bill and Tony, I thought they were bringing on the Third Way!!
Or was it the Third Wave!??

14 posted on 09/06/2002 12:38:28 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: MadIvan; Sabertooth

In his interview, Mr Blair praised the American president as a man to work with. "The thing that has impressed me most is that he's really direct, he's really to the point, he's very straight and he's extremely easy to deal with," Mr Blair said.

"There's no hidden agenda, or undercurrents to the conversation. It's down to business and everything's out in the open and discussed properly."

This is a calculated slap in the face to Weird Bill, my friends - Ivan

Excellent. Thanks for the post and the ping! The British are our best Allies !


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Rummy, you tell 'em to keep sifting the dirt for Osama. Next up? SADdam ! Let's get him!

18 posted on 09/06/2002 1:23:27 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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Interesting, isn't it, that we haven't seen any chummy shots of the globetrotting X-42, "Herr Sinkmeister", hanging out with Mr. Blair since the election. I'll bet Mr. Blair cannot take enough showers to rid himself of the taint of his so-called friendship with Slick Willie, which occurred before the Lewinsky files were opened. Kudos to Blair for his honorable stance.


Blair & Clinton pre-blue dress revelations.

Clinton and Blair/file
Next week's meeting between Clinton and Blair may set the course for the U.S. and Great Britain  
January 31, 1998
Web posted at: 9:57 p.m. EDT (2157 GMT)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- White House sources tell CNN that next week's meeting between President Clinton and British Prime Minister Tony Blair could be a turning point in dealing with Saddam Hussein -- unless the Iraqi president embraces a diplomatic solution to the weapons inspection standoff beforehand.

These sources say no military action would be considered until Secretary of State Madeleine Albright returns from her travels drumming up support for a tough line against Iraq.

Said one official: "The string doesn't run out at least until Madeleine gets back, but it is getting pretty short."

Given Blair's support for the U.S. position in dealing with Iraq, the sources said the two leaders were planning a strong condemnation of Hussein's behavior for their joint news conference on Friday, and that strategy for a military response would be a major subject of their talks.

Also, the official said several senior administration officials have been in touch with key members of Congress in recent days to bring them up to speed on administration strategy.

Stern warnings to Iraq

Meanwhile, American officials warned Iraq of U.S. military might.

Rear Adm. Michael Mullen, speaking from the deck of the USS George Washington, a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier stationed about 100 miles off the southern coast of Iraq, said Saturday that if ordered to do so, Navy warplanes could launch continued attacks against Iraq for weeks in a "very precise and devastating manner."

Defense Secretary William Cohen on Saturday said in a Pentagon interview that any attack by the United States would be "significant." But Cohen warned against "unreasonable expectations" from any raids on Iraq, and stressed that there would be no attempt to destroy the country or depose the Iraqi president.

He said strikes would curtail Hussein's ability to make chemical or biological weapons or threaten his neighbors, but not render him completely harmless.

"The United State does not want to be in the position, nor do any of our allies, to say: 'Let's just devastate Iraq.'"

But, Cohen said, "The United States has the power to do great damage."

Sen. Jesse Helms, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said on CNN's "Evans & Novak" that he hopes President Clinton consults Congress before any action is take against Iraq. He said he hopes a military strike wouldn't be used as a "political gambit" to take the public's minds off of other events.

'The window is narrowing'

Speaking earlier Saturday in London, Albright said the time was fast approaching for fundamental decisions on Iraq as diplomacy proving unable to resolve the crisis.

"The window is narrowing ... It looks as if diplomacy is not working," she told a joint news conference with British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook.

In Amman, King Hussein of Jordan on Saturday said in a letter to his brother Crown Prince Hassan, broadcast by state TV, that Iraq should give in to U.N. demands for unrestricted access to search for weapons of mass destruction and take the threat of a military strike gravely.

"The stubbornness in not responding to the demands of the Security Council is a very dangerous misjudgment and will, God forbid, push towards an explosions," King Hussein said.

Harsh words from Iraq

Meanwhile, Iraq renewed criticism of Richard Butler, the chief U.N. weapons inspector. He has been criticized since he gave an interview to The New York Times in which he said that Iraq has enough biological weapons to "blow away Tel Aviv, or where ever."

Butler later said he had no information that Iraq was specifically targeting Tel Aviv.

Iraqi Oil Minister Gen. Amer Mohammed Rashid said Butler's interview was "meant to justify the participation of the Zionist enemy (Israel) in the American plot to carry out an aggression against the Iraqi people."

The Iraqi government daily Al-Jumhuriyaa said, "The Security Council should restrain this loose man, the talker, because an international employee must be balanced, speak very little and behave well. He should not be a reason to trigger a war."

Iraq, which denies possessing weapons of mass destruction, ended a three-day guided tour of its palaces aimed at showing foreign diplomats that its "presidential sites" held no secrets.

Presidential palace
The sticking point remains Iraq's insistence that U.N. teams are not allowed to inspect presidential palaces  

In addition to the 23 experts in Baghdad for so-called technical evaluation talks on the weapons confrontation, another team of arms inspectors also arrived in Iraq on Saturday. The Iraqi News Agency said U.N. arms inspectors visited 14 sites on Saturday, but it gave no details.

The technical evaluation talks, which start Sunday, are aimed at solving the dispute between Iraq and the United Nations on the accounting of Iraq's weaponry. Another round in mid-February will consider biological weapons.

U.N. weapons inspectors must certify whether Iraq has eliminated all of its weapons of mass destruction. Such a move is needed before U.N. sanctions, imposed on Iraq after its 1990 invasion of neighboring Kuwait, can be lifted.

Albright tries to drum up support

Albright flew to the Middle East on Saturday to line up Arab support for what could be a British-U.S. attack on Iraq.

Annan
Annan  

Also, she was to meet with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

A factor in the crisis is the fear that Baghdad could fire missiles at Israel if Western nations make a military move against the Iraqi leader.

That possibility, and the chance that Israel would retaliate, compound an already difficult situation for Albright, who wants Arab backing in the event of an attack on Iraq.

Iraq landed 39 Scud missiles in Israel in the 1991 Gulf War, killing 11 civilians. At the behest of the Bush administration, which wanted to Arab support for the anti-Iraq coalition, Israel did not retaliate against Iraq.

U.S. officials would not say whether Albright would ask Netanyahu not to retaliate if Israel is attacked.

The United States is pushing for a phased withdrawal of Israeli troops from the West Bank to further Israeli-Palestinian peace efforts. U.S. officials are insisting that pushing for such a withdrawal was not designed to placate Arab leaders who would disapprove of an attack on Iraq.

Hopes for peace continue

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan on Saturday called for more time to resolve the crisis through diplomacy, as Russian President Boris Yeltsin ordered his special envoy to head for Baghdad for the second time in a week in search of a diplomatic solution.

Annan spoke at news conference in the Swiss resort of Davos, where world political and business leaders were gathering for a meeting.

"Lots of consultations are going on in various capitals and everyone concerned, including the Americans, have made it clear they would prefer a diplomatic solution. Let us give it time. Let us see what happens."

Yeltsin's envoy, deputy foreign minister Viktor Posuvalyuk, will travel to Baghdad on Sunday.

"My mission tomorrow will be extremely difficult," he said in remarks broadcast on Russian TV.

"They (the Iraqis) have made certain proposals. We have to try to get more concessions from them so we can make a package of proposals, which would help solve the problem...," he said.

King Hussein and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak are cautioning the United States against using force in its confrontation with Iraq.

Jordan's King Hussein said strikes against Iraq would harm civilians and set back the Arab-Israeli peace process. Mubarak said in remarks to be published Sunday in the Al-Akhbar newspaper that "the use of force will lead to an increase in the tension."

Correspondents John King, Carl Rochelle and Peter Arnett, Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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21 posted on 09/06/2002 1:54:26 AM PDT by ppaul
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We were with you for the Faulklands. Glad to see you're with us on this now.

However, I think there'll be a lot more sheepishly joining in support once President Bush lays out some of the evidence he has. He hasn't done it before we made more cruise missiles and built the airstrip in Qatar, etc., because the cry from Americans for immediate action will occur once they see this stuff.

22 posted on 09/06/2002 3:09:00 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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What can I say? I'll start with "Thank You"...
24 posted on 09/06/2002 3:14:46 AM PDT by Caipirabob
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Ivan, for eight long years I mourned the death of the "Good America" I grew up in... every day I'd turn on the TV and see some jabbering jackal prattling on about the wonders of clintonism and how lucky we all were to be subjected to it.

I grieved, I truly did, and even after the corrupt clown was finally gone, I was not sure the damage wasn't permanent and irrevokable.

Then, those planes hit the Towers, and the Pentagon- and I heard about firemen, and policemen, and some others rushing up stairwells that everybody else was running away from...

...and I knew the "real America" was just fine- as rough and tough and hard and gritty as I had ever remembered it.

The perfumed little princes you see on TV may have their doubts and crisises, and "issues," but the real America down on the street level is just fine.

I suspect it's like that in Britain, too...

25 posted on 09/06/2002 3:18:07 AM PDT by backhoe
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I just bought “The Great Republic” By Winston Churchill good and interesting read. It is like reading a play book to what is going to transpire. All you have to do in his speeches is take out Germany and insert Iraq.
26 posted on 09/06/2002 4:10:29 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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Thank you.

Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival.

Winston Churchill, 1940

29 posted on 09/06/2002 5:06:16 AM PDT by mewzilla
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God Bless Tony Blair and the British people.

When war is thrust upon us and all others turn their backs, it is truly gratifying to realize that our cousins may also be our brothers.

The Master Zinja

30 posted on 09/06/2002 5:08:10 AM PDT by Master Zinja
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With you at the first, with you to the last.

The Special Relationship, strong as ever.

Could you add me to your Ping List? Thanks!

Regards,

Tony

32 posted on 09/06/2002 5:13:48 AM PDT by TonyInOhio
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34 posted on 09/06/2002 5:21:40 AM PDT by facedown
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Mr. Blair is a socialist, but at least he knows the meaning of the word "ally."
35 posted on 09/06/2002 5:23:22 AM PDT by BruceS
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