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It's the USA, Not the U.N.
newsmax.com ^ | 9/6/02 | John L. Perry

Posted on 09/07/2002 5:07:13 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!

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To: MissAmericanPie
I hear more each day about this nazi neighborhood crap.Including the Marine (on I think Dateline) that was ordered to take his huge American flag and pole down; and GOOD NEWS he one.

You are right 'the country' is turning into uppity crammed homes with a gate....soon it will be nazi and or they will order the old farm homes in the country to move for U.N. land.

41 posted on 09/08/2002 8:26:57 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: MissAmericanPie; All
Jun 16, 2002

Governor Rallies Around Vet's Outlawed Flagpole

JUPITER - Gov. Jeb Bush celebrated Flag Day with a Marine Corps veteran who owes nearly $30,000 in fines for flying an American flag from a 12-foot pole in his front yard.

George Andres, who was stationed in the Pacific from 1956-1962, violated his homeowners association policy and a court order when he raised his flag from a pole instead of from brackets attached to his house.

Friday, Bush gave Andres a flag that flew over the state Capitol.

``Rather than just say it's unacceptable, people ought to put aside their differences and their obsession with rules and regulations, and use common sense to make decisions,'' Bush said.

Bush signed legislation in April allowing homeowners to fly Old Glory in a reasonable, respectful manner and to file suit against homeowners associations that forbid it.

In June 2001, a judge ordered Andres to pay $100 for each day the pole remains outside his town house since she ordered him to take it down in October 2000. Bush presented Andres a personal check for $100 Friday.

Steven Selz, an attorney for the association, said the group has tried to reason with Andres and told the judge not to jail him.

This story can be found at : http://www.tampatrib.com/floridametronews/MGAW6PXGI2D.html

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42 posted on 09/08/2002 8:31:41 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: MissAmericanPie; amom; Alamo-Girl; EODGUY; JMJ333; brat; Enough is ENOUGH; Born in a Rage; ...
THE AMERICAN HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION

These people need researched and exposed. They are most likely tied to the left via the U.N.

43 posted on 09/08/2002 8:37:20 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: MissAmericanPie
Very little research directly linked the U.N. to this.

OMG!!!!! Unbelievable!

44 posted on 09/08/2002 8:51:39 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: MissAmericanPie; Jim Robinson; brat; Mercuria; AnnaZ; lowbridge; Alamo-Girl; amom; backhoe; ...
Re: post 32. Post 44 proves that an American Marine Veteran owes the U.N. $30,000 for flying a large American flag pole.
45 posted on 09/08/2002 8:58:28 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: MissAmericanPie; Jim Robinson; brat; Mercuria; AnnaZ; lowbridge; Alamo-Girl; amom; backhoe; All
Typo SORRY!

I meant post 42

46 posted on 09/08/2002 9:01:42 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Buuuump!
47 posted on 09/08/2002 9:04:10 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: MissAmericanPie
Did this literally have the U.N. name symbol on it?
48 posted on 09/08/2002 9:04:45 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Alamo-Girl; Jim Robinson
Re: 42.

Bush signed legislation in April allowing homeowners to fly Old Glory in a reasonable, respectful manner and to file suit against homeowners associations that forbid it.

The question is....what is "reasonable, respectful"???

If a marine wants to erect a flagpole as big as he wants what does anyone care to judge his business?

My worry...is what is the definition of "reasonable, respectful?"

No one being nor law should dictate what one does on and in their own property unless they are endangering others.

RIGHT?

49 posted on 09/08/2002 9:11:08 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Conclusion

In conclusion, the local government community remains committed to the implementation of Agenda 21. Having renewed the United Nations' commitment to the Local Agenda 21 process at the UN Conference on Human Settlements, local government organizations are preparing for the expansion of the Local Agenda 21 movement. The continued growth of this movement will require that new resources for Local Agenda 21 planning are deployed in keeping with the principles of Local Agenda 21 itself; that is, in partnership with the national, regional and international associations of local government that initiated Local Agenda 21 and that have made it such a success for the United Nations and for a growing number of cities and towns throughout the world.

Finally, Agenda 21 will never be achieved through planning alone. The ability of the Local Agenda 21 movement to achieve real, positive impacts on social and environmental conditions will require the establishment of supportive national government frameworks in each country for local sustainable development.

It looks like that is already starting to unfold. They'll most likely give money to the US government to disseminate down to the local governments who choose to institute these anti-property rights initiatives. Thus, it us up to the US government not to take the bait. However, it seems like they're already getting wrapped up in this.

50 posted on 09/08/2002 9:13:34 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
The parasitic U.N. produces nothing. It is time for The United States of America to expand freedom, the rule of law and individual rights to the rest of the planet. Who will be the 51st state?
51 posted on 09/08/2002 9:17:31 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Does (did) Unicef's money truly go to world starvation?


Apparently, since there are still starving people in socialist countries.

52 posted on 09/08/2002 9:21:14 AM PDT by Fintan
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
IMHO, the definition of "reasonable, respectful" - like the definition of "pornography" is in the eye of the beholder-community and will change from time-to-time.

At this point in America's history, I would not object to anyone constructing an American Flag Image on the side of and sized-to-fit Pike's Peak!

53 posted on 09/08/2002 9:24:49 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: FreedomFriend; MissAmericanPie
Sad and quite scary. The U.N. is made up of many many facets and names, like a huge octopus-like beast; with many tenticles.

They are obviously controlling our property rights through the 'homeowners association. In appallment I told MISS AMERICAN PIE to move. She should not have to.Soon this will effect all of us, are we going to sit back and do nothing until it is in OUR backyards? Is our government aware of these U.N. ties right in our back yards?

54 posted on 09/08/2002 9:25:02 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Well, I don't necessarily think that this will be implemented through HomeOwners Associations. Those groups are set up through the developer and managed by the residents of the neighborhood. People sign the covenant agreement when the move in. As much as I dislike Homeowner's Associations, this will be implemented through local planning departments.

I know quite a bit about city planning, and that is part of the reason why I opted out of it. This will be set through new zoning classifications, defined "agricultural" areas and the like.

55 posted on 09/08/2002 9:29:37 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Alamo-Girl
I agree. I saw this news piece and I think I recall the flagpole being as large as one you would see publically at a post office or firestation. Next? will the 'neighborhood associations' AKA= the U.N. be ordering the flying of the U.N. flag?
56 posted on 09/08/2002 9:32:03 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Excellent and bttt. Thanks.
57 posted on 09/08/2002 9:40:42 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: FreedomFriend
You have a point. I have seen it locally in zoning laws of a village trying to implement 'no garden' and 'shooting any firearm' laws to very rural farm/hunting sections of townships.

It was ridiculous, these laws may have been somewhat feasible (even accepted) in a largely populated (houses 6 feet apart shopping district.) but not where hunters hunt in the backwoods country.

58 posted on 09/08/2002 9:42:43 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
No, of course it didn't. The only ties to the U.N. that you will find it that it is their agenda. It's starts off real nice, who could disagree with peaceful, secure, clean neighborhoods with less traffic?

Then eventually the association will encourage the Code Enforcement Dept to fine, and fine, and fine, those that have a torn screen, or trees that need trimming, until they fine them right out of their property. For instance, any old sick tree cut down, must be replaced by another tree, etc. Those that can't afford it, the elderly property owner, will be fined out of their homes.

If there is a growing fuss about it, then the government will subsidize the elderly, and of course without question the minority, another government give away, but those in the middle class that are hanging on won't qualify of course. Right now in my neighborhood HUD took over some homes, there was never a For Sale sign put up, there was never a sticker in the window saying H.U.D., then suddenly they were occupied by illegals. I had posted on this forum that H.U.D. was slipping illegals into neighborhoods. Then Tancredo Fan came up with an article about it. It's a Bush administration idea, he wants full credit for it from the illegal community.

And what's worse, this little packet talked about all the meetings in the neighborhood that had gone on, the get togethers everyone was informed and had agreed, blah, blah, blah. But no one ever informed me of meetings, get togethers and agreements to this mess.

A guy knocked on the door, handed my husband the packet and off he went, no explainations.

59 posted on 09/08/2002 10:41:49 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: FreedomFriend
My neighborhood is older, before all that developer setting up a home owners association and all that. I told my husband this was coming when I recieved a card a year ago wanting to know if we would be interested in starting a neighborhood association.

I just got back from the grocery store, met a neighbor there and asked her if she had received her packet. She said yes and that this gal a few blocks over was the one that started it as part of a city wide push for all neighborhoods to group off into associations. I told her that all that I had received was a polling card and she said the same for her, their claim that there were invitations sent out was bogus. The only thing she saw were a couple of little signs outside the grade school saying there would be a meeting. She said she didn't know of anyone that went to it. Now all of a sudden we are all in, like it or not, voted on or not. She was about as happy about it as I was.

60 posted on 09/08/2002 1:26:27 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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