[doug from upland]

re: Good luck on getting the whackos to allow new, or even retooled refineries.

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This event was a seminal event. With this work done by Honda and ChevronTexaco, there is great ammunition to put a gag in the mouths of the whackos. Make no mistake that fuel cells are coming, but with engines this clean, the internal combustion is not dead yet.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Is this the engine and drivetrain ?

VTEC-E gasoline engine