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Mohammed Atta met Saddam prior to September 11: US official
Agence France-Presse | September 8, 2002

Posted on 09/08/2002 7:36:33 AM PDT by HAL9000

MILAN, Sept 8 (AFP) - Mohammed Atta consulted Saddam Hussein prior to leading the suicide attacks on the World Trade Center on September 11, according to Richard Perle, an advisor to the US defense secretary.

"Mohammed Atta met Saddam Hussein in Baghdad prior to September 11. We have proof of that, and we are sure he wasn't just there for a holiday," Perle told Italy's business daily "Il Sole 24 Ore".

"The meeting is one of the motives for an American attack on Iraq," added Perle, who is chairman of the Defense Policy Board and consultant to US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, a leading advocate of an attack on Iraq.

"The main objective of the American administration is to avoid weapons of mass destruction falling into the wrong hands," said Perle.



TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atta; iraq; perle; saddamhussein
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1 posted on 09/08/2002 7:36:33 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
Bada-Bing!
2 posted on 09/08/2002 7:39:15 AM PDT by cmsgop
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To: HAL9000
Tom Daschole will be stunned.
3 posted on 09/08/2002 7:41:05 AM PDT by austingirl
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To: HAL9000
And just how hard would it be for ANYONE to get in to see one of the most protected and paranoid heads of state on the planet? Next to impossible, I would guess. A nobody like Atta get a meeting with Saddam. Looks like the case is being nailed shut, folks.
4 posted on 09/08/2002 7:42:05 AM PDT by Brian Mosely
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To: HAL9000
Aha! Looks like we have a BINGO!
5 posted on 09/08/2002 7:42:26 AM PDT by A. Morgan
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To: HAL9000
Let's Rock!
6 posted on 09/08/2002 7:44:17 AM PDT by KevinDavis
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To: HAL9000
Once again, the American Press ignores facts that do not support their politcal agenda.
7 posted on 09/08/2002 7:44:31 AM PDT by copycat
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To: HAL9000
"Mohammed Atta met Saddam Hussein in Baghdad prior to September 11. We have proof of that, and we are sure he wasn't just there for a holiday," Perle told Italy's business daily "Il Sole 24 Ore". Meantime, at the "Smoking Gun Saloon" in South Dakota,

Paging Mr Daschle, Paging Mr. Daschle.

8 posted on 09/08/2002 7:44:42 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: hflynn
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9 posted on 09/08/2002 7:45:10 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: HAL9000
If this is true, we have our smoking gun, and it better well be story number ONE for big media!

This is reason enough to attack Iraq today. Avenge the 9/11 murders!!!!!!

10 posted on 09/08/2002 7:47:40 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: austingirl
Tom Daschole will be stunned.

I think you mean "troubled." ;-)

11 posted on 09/08/2002 7:50:03 AM PDT by JamesWilson
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To: cmsgop
Bada-Bing!

MAJOR if true. Too early to tell. This is a new one and has all the earmarks of a trial balloon.

12 posted on 09/08/2002 7:51:30 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
yes,yes and yes.......:*)
13 posted on 09/08/2002 7:57:27 AM PDT by cmsgop
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To: dennisw
MAJOR if true. Too early to tell. This is a new one and has all the earmarks of a trial balloon.

"trial balloon?"

If this is truth, why doesn't Bush just get on the air and make this public? Why does it have to be leaked to Ile Sole which is in turn quoted by AFP?

14 posted on 09/08/2002 7:57:53 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: HAL9000
If this is the case, we should've started the build up the day after we found out.
15 posted on 09/08/2002 7:59:22 AM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: austingirl
Tom Daschole will be stunned.

And don't you find it most interesting that during the Clintoon administration, the same folks, including the Hon. Mr. Daschole tried to push a resolution of war through on flimsier evidence than there is now. All of the sudden, he's got reservations. Hmmmm.....

By the way, Tony Snow had some great parting thoughts on Fox News Sunday this morning.

16 posted on 09/08/2002 8:00:00 AM PDT by ward_of_the_state
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
I wonder if this is a planted story that the French will be able to refute and "prove" that Atta wasn't really in Baghdad.
17 posted on 09/08/2002 8:20:04 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: ward_of_the_state
By the way, Tony Snow had some great parting thoughts on Fox News Sunday this morning.

For those of us who didn't catch it, would you please share with us what those thoughts were.

18 posted on 09/08/2002 8:21:26 AM PDT by jslade
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To: Fitzcarraldo
"I wonder if this is a planted story that the French will be able to refute and "prove" that Atta wasn't really in Baghdad."

If Perle did say it, believe it!

19 posted on 09/08/2002 8:22:10 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
If Perle did say it, believe it!

That's the question. Or was he misquoted? Any independent confirmation?

20 posted on 09/08/2002 8:26:10 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: HAL9000
But do we have an affidavit signed by both Atta and Saddam, duly witnessed by independent third parties, that such a meeting took place? Absent such how can we possibly believe that there is a credible link between Al Qaeda and Saddam? How can we act until we are metaphysically certain that Saddam told Atta what to do? \sarcasm Some people (Euroweenies, Senate Dims, etc.) are beyond convincing. They will bleat "you haven't made the case" ad nauseum--a clever formulation that conveniently shifts the blame to Bush and hence allows them to avoid making the hard judgments and gives them maximum flexibility to revise their "positions" as circumstances change.

Bush has to go to Congress in the next month to force these people to put up or shut up. Each member of Congress owes his constituents an up or down vote before the next election. It is their duty--a word that I am sure most of them have no conception of--to state their views and vote accordingly on the most important issue of the time before facing the voters in November. That is the purpose of elections--to hold our representatives accountable. Bush should force them to account, and not let them weasel out as they so desperately want to do.

21 posted on 09/08/2002 8:31:06 AM PDT by financeprof
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To: HAL9000
Link?
22 posted on 09/08/2002 8:35:23 AM PDT by RippleFire
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To: Fitzcarraldo
It could well be a matter of protecting sources and "methods". Intelligence (as in the institution) is rightfully paranoid about giving away what it knows. It makes our enemy's counter-espionage that much more effective -- to, in effect, know what we know about them. The first major break in being able to counter enemy intelligence is to know what they know about you.

If Sadaam knows the details about how much we know about his meeting with Atta, he then has a relatively good starting blueprint for where and how we got that information. Thus, our sources and "methods" become endangered.

This is one reason why Bush has been so closed about information up until now, and why Congressmen like Leaky Leahy are so dangerous to our nation's intelligence assets around the world. Now that we have to produce what we know in order to satisfy the appeasers and the faint-of-heart, our sources better damn well head underground in a really big hurry and hope like hell we don't delay in bringing the hammer down. Their lives are in the greatest danger -- and it gets more dangerous for them with every little iota of information that we release.

This game was pretty well understood in the Cold War, but apparently that is now too long ago for the memory of the press, at least.

23 posted on 09/08/2002 8:35:24 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: HAL9000
If this report is true, and Perle said this, then we have all the pretext we need for going in and kicking Hussein's butt from here to 'paradise'.

Doesn't surprise me one bit. It has been more than obvious for some time that the Administration possesses more info than we are privy to...info that will fully implicate the Iraqis in 9-11, plus firm confirmation of their possessing the means to introduce WMD's to the equation.

The President and his advisors are pushing the Daschle Gang into a corner from which they can only emerge when they vote 'Aye' on the war.

The Presidency truly is a 'bully' pulpit. Hehehe..
24 posted on 09/08/2002 8:36:00 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Fitzcarraldo
Gee we went from "we don't need no steenkin' nexus" between Iraq and 911 to having Atta the nobody meeting personally with the Saddam himself?

This is bull$h!t. If it were so they would have been milking it in public for all it's worth. Just a few days ago when they were contending that there hadn't been any other big shoes dropping and none were really needed to justify an invasion.

25 posted on 09/08/2002 8:36:43 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: EternalVigilance

These cretins look friggin miserable from having to stare at that mustachioed moron Saddams face since 1979.

We will be doing these primitive SOB's a favor by taking him out and introducing Budweiser and Hooters to the pathetic looking creatures.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

26 posted on 09/08/2002 8:37:25 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: AAABEST
This is bull$h!t. If it were so they would have been milking it in public for all it's worth.

The leftists attempt to prevent us from protecting our citizens is whats bull$h!t.

27 posted on 09/08/2002 8:39:11 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Rome2000
If it were so they would have been milking it in public for all it's worth.

Nah. A good card player doesn't show everything in his hand before it is put up or shut up time.

The President is a very good card player...he's patient. That's what is so beautiful...his opponents generally aren't, and constantly overplay their hand.

It's fun to watch, actually.

28 posted on 09/08/2002 8:42:18 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: AAABEST
If it were so they would have been milking it in public for all it's worth.

Agreed. Watching for Perle's denial. I think our "friends" in Europe with the Iraqi economic interests are making up stories that will be discredited.

By the way, I think the best time to invade Iraq would have been 9-12-2001.

29 posted on 09/08/2002 8:42:27 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
"This game was pretty well understood in the Cold War, but apparently that is now too long ago for the memory of the press, at least."

I think Rummy should re-instate the press-reporting rules from WWII. If you want to cover the war, you may do so as soon as you join the military and complete basic training. Once you are active military, you may cover the war.

I'd LOVE to see some of the liberal media flacks try to get thru basic with their makeup and hairdos intact. It would make for some VERY compelling television.

Journalists understood very well back then that if the stories they wrote gave aid and comfort to the enemy, it was very clear evidence of TREASON. And, yes, they've forgotten.

Michael

30 posted on 09/08/2002 8:44:19 AM PDT by Wright is right!
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To: Wright is right!
Great plan---I like it.
31 posted on 09/08/2002 8:45:55 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: HAL9000
Say goodbye Saddam!
32 posted on 09/08/2002 8:47:14 AM PDT by Mixer
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To: Wright is right!
Hey...sounds like an idea for a new reality-based TV show.

Geraldo, George Stepanofulus (or however the hell you spell his name), and info babes galore get down and muddy in: Press Corp Boot Camp! See who survives! The winner gets a paid vacation to...Baghdad!

33 posted on 09/08/2002 8:49:55 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Fitzcarraldo
"If this is truth, why doesn't Bush just get on the air and make this public? Why does it have to be leaked to Ile Sole which is in turn quoted by AFP?"

To conceal our intentions.

34 posted on 09/08/2002 8:50:48 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
"If this is the case, we should've started the build up the day after we found out."

We did.

35 posted on 09/08/2002 8:51:34 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: elfman2
To conceal our intentions.

Everyone knows what Bush intends to do (aside from specifics)!

36 posted on 09/08/2002 8:52:31 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: HAL9000
And it took a year to find this out. This is just more propoganda to support invading Iraq. Another Gulf of Tonken.
37 posted on 09/08/2002 8:57:51 AM PDT by gunshy
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To: gunshy
And it took a year to find this out.

These are not reliable sources - watch for the Perle denial.

38 posted on 09/08/2002 9:01:35 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Rome2000
You want to protect your fellow countrymen? Then you get on the phone and you tell your buddy Bush to close the damn borders. Deport all the illegals and get rid of non-citizen undesireables. That is not a leftist idea, it is only common sense. During the time bush has been talking about invading Iraq, Saddam could have had an army cross our borders because there is no one to stop them. Bush is really protecting us.
39 posted on 09/08/2002 9:04:27 AM PDT by gunshy
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To: HAL9000
The Germans and the French just lost their say in the matter. They can stand out in the open and neutral if they want...but they better not say a word about US aggression. If Saddam had anything to do with the episode, then he gets what he deserves.
40 posted on 09/08/2002 9:13:09 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: AAABEST
"This is bull$h!t. If it were so they would have been milking it in public for all it's worth."

No, up to now we need misdirection more than more public support. A few months ago the world community, perhaps even Saddam, was not convinced that we were committed to invasion.

We have the legal authority to invade right now. And we still have a narrow majority of public support.

We weren't ready to invade until now, needing satellite guided weapons replenishment, Afghan wrap up, special training, forward deployments of equipment, airstrip construction, vaccine restocking and the fall climate change. But we didn't want to over-forecast our intentions, certainly not almost a year in advance. One year of firm notice would have given Saddam more time to commit to more elaborate counter attacks, justifying them by our overt threats, and would have allowed international opposition time to ferment, more so than now.

At some point we will need to shift over and trade operational ambiguity for public support. Perhaps that time is now, to coincide with the 9/11 memorials.

41 posted on 09/08/2002 9:17:37 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: Fitzcarraldo
"Everyone knows what Bush intends to do (aside from specifics)!"

But they didn't know if we were going to go through with it or be talked into some kind of compromise if the evidence against Iraq didn't materialize and opposition hardened. That's worth at least a forward deployed division and air-wing in operational effectiveness.

42 posted on 09/08/2002 9:22:27 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: elfman2
LOL. You have a good tactical mind but you ignore human nature and politics.

The fact remains that if there was any known meeting between Atta and Saddam the administration would be screaming this in the face of any reporter or potential coalition member they could find. Do you actually think they wouldn't have mentioned the small detail of Atta meets Saddam to the delegation from congress the other day? If it was mentioned do you think there would be one single member leaving that meeting with even the slightest reservation in regard to invading Iraq?

Somebody somewhere is hoping we're stupid, "leaking" this propagandic horseflop is beyond insulting.

43 posted on 09/08/2002 9:34:37 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: HAL9000
Hey Hal, do you have a source link for this? I looked on the AFP site and their Yahoo compilation page and couldn't find it.
44 posted on 09/08/2002 9:36:14 AM PDT by Musket
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To: Musket
Hey Hal, do you have a source link for this? I looked on the AFP site and their Yahoo compilation page and couldn't find it.

Yahoo's AFP site is not very good - it is heavily censored. There are several better places to get AFP news available here

Sometimes, when I find an especially good news source, I don't publish the links to articles because those sites tend to cut off access when they attract too much attention. This has happened on some sites that carried Reuters and DPA - those are no longer available.

But I'm finding this particular AFP story on some Australian sites now - try here or here. On these sites, they list the source as the Australian Associated Press, but they are simply republishing the original AFP story.

45 posted on 09/08/2002 9:58:11 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: AAABEST
Somebody somewhere is hoping we're stupid, "leaking" this propagandic horseflop is beyond insulting

Atta met al Ani in Prague. Hussein trains hijackers at Salman Pak. Atta was a hijacker.

Don't bet the house that Atta didn't travel to Baghdad.

47 posted on 09/08/2002 10:08:49 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: HAL9000
Very good. Thank you Sir.
48 posted on 09/08/2002 10:13:03 AM PDT by Musket
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To: AAABEST
This is bull$h!t. If it were so they would have been milking it in public for all it's worth.

Stupid Dubya strikes again!
He let the Democrats blather for a couple of weeks...during this week (including
the speech to the UN on Thursday), he'll roll out all the smoking guns, connect the dots,
and support to splat Sadaam will gain momentum.

I just pray the Democrats keep on underestimating Dubya.
49 posted on 09/08/2002 10:14:47 AM PDT by VOA
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To: austingirl
I>Tom Daschole will be stunned.

Either that, or "deeply disappointed".

50 posted on 09/08/2002 10:20:12 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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