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Racism and the Second Amendment
Denver Post ^ | 9-8-02 | Ken Hamblin

Posted on 09/08/2002 11:45:20 AM PDT by Pat Bateman

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To: mafree
What I really meant was how some use inner-city crime to scare everyone into giving up their guns

It is hard to generalize about racism and gun control. Politics makes strange bedfellows and a lot of people are logically inconsistent, if not hypocrites.

In the 60's and 70's in Chicago I was in everything anti-da mare. We openly pursued a coalition of anti-communists and communists against Daley. I was peripherally active in the Black Panthers (one of many Whites). Some of my close Puerto Rican friends were super-active in the Black Panthers, dating them, etc. In Chicago, the Black Panthers were not ideologically monolithic. Many were libertarians. Many were statists. Many were confused.

The commonality was harrassment by politicized police units. Some police units worked directly for da mare. Others worked directly for States Attorney Hanrahan. Their job was to arrest, discredit and make ineffective any opposition to da mare, or committeeman. There were many political assassinations prior to the political assassination of Fred Hampton. eg Puerto Rican friends of mine backing RINO Lopez for Alderman against the Boss were shot in the back with the Republican precinct captain as an eye witness too timid to speak up and risk his own life.

I also knew people who saved their own life, or the life of a friend because a policeman backed down from getting into a shootout with them. So what was the crime of these people who used guns in self-defense? It was freedom of speech in opposition to urban removal and support of candidates who opposed urban renewal. So they actively used their 2d amendment rights to protect their first amendment rights.

But like I said at the beginning, people are not always logically consistent and are sometimes hypocrites. If some of the oppressed were to gain power, they would act just like the oppressors they previously denounced.

21 posted on 09/09/2002 6:31:15 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: stand watie; stainlessbanner; shuckmaster
An 1840 statute provided: That if any free Negro, mulatto, or free person of color, shall wear or carry about his or her person, or keep in his or her house, any shot gun, musket, rifle, pistol, sword, dagger or Bowie-knife, unless he or she shall have obtained a license therefore from the Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions of his or her county, within one year preceding the wearing, keeping or carrying therefore, he or she shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and may be indicted therefore."

While I disagree with the inherent racism found in this law, it has to be said that at least the state of North Carolina ALLOWED free blacks to live in their state. Unlike the wonderful northern states of Illinois and Oregon to name a few. Of course those states wouldn't have gun laws affecting blacks because to them, blacks didn't even exist!!

22 posted on 09/09/2002 6:36:53 AM PDT by billbears
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To: epow
We had considered moving many years ago,but, when you're retired, and living on a fixed income, you make the best of what you have.

By the way, the "Granny" bit was theoretical : In practice, no County Prosecutor would accept such a case. However, if Granny whipped out a licensed handgun- assuming she could somehow get a permit (doubtful !)-there would probably be Hell to pay: especially if she were White, and her assailant were " Other Than".

A few years back,in the City of Perth Amboy, NJ, the Police Chief,who, at the time, was a reasonably good-hearted,if rough-edged Irish fellow, was forced to shoot one of that fair city's violent Hispanic drug gang members-who was lunging at him with a knife.

No charges were filed against him-or even seriously contemplated-but the local newspaper decided to go after him: day after day, critical article after critical article.They even insisted on being present for the Chief's annual weapons qualification test ( which he passed with flying colors ).

After hounding him for about 3 months, and probing the department for disaffected officers willing to tip them off to "wrongdoing",they finally "caught him red-handed": using a City-owned car to rescue his daughter, whose car had broken down in the middle of the night a whole five miles outside the City limits !! The Chief, who had his 30 years in-with change left over-paid the City for the use of the police car, and retired. The newspaper, of course, rushed a reporter out to interview him, but did not receive a printable response.

The newspaper, which has since changed hands, had a policy of publicly tormenting anybody who owned or used a gun for any purpose ; and of treating Blacks and Hispanics as if they were endangered species. ( Nowadays, because of semographic changes, Muslims are considered a protected species ! )

23 posted on 09/09/2002 6:44:04 AM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: billbears
Interesting article on some anti-constitutional laws. I never thought of it this way.
24 posted on 09/09/2002 6:45:53 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: mafree
As a follow up you might look into HOW they use inner city crime and HOW they get people to give up their guns.

Rarely, if ever, do people vote away their self defense.

Town councils, city managers, county & state, however, love to shut the doors, decide on some new draconian restriction and announce that they have saved innocent lives by taking away (identify curse here).

Only sometimes in the name of reducing inner city or even suburbian crime. Remember that a few years back laws were being passed because of the 'radical right wing militia' (or just Christians in general) menace....see below at "limits on the number of arms...".

Current faves include huge taxes on ammo and components, trigger locks, and, of course, trying to make manufacturers responsible for end-use. Then there are the restrictions on selling ammo within three days, seven days, (whatever) of any big event, limits on how many arms can be purchased in any given time, etc.

How many of those were voted on by the public?
25 posted on 09/09/2002 7:14:16 AM PDT by norton
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To: billbears
YEP and the northern states had "pass through but not tarry" laws that allowed any black person who stayed overnight in their jurisdiction to be jailed W/O TRIAL!

damnyankees have always been really good at sel-righteousness and "speaking with forked tongue"!

free dixie,sw

27 posted on 09/09/2002 8:59:17 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: A tall man in a cowboy hat
the meeting was at Southern Methodist University, Dallas, TX.

people like that make me want to gag!

for dixie,sw

28 posted on 09/09/2002 9:01:06 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: Blue Screen of Death
TRUE!

free the southland,sw

29 posted on 09/09/2002 9:03:31 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: genefromjersey
and the sullivan law had the effect of allowing CRIMINALS, who were "good democrats" to carry concealed, in all too many cases.

free dixie,sw

30 posted on 09/09/2002 9:04:50 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: mafree
that is NOT a "secret"! see my comment #4.

free dixie,sw

31 posted on 09/09/2002 9:05:58 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: epow
the anti-carry provisions were passed by the damnyankee-controlled reconstruction government, not by the PRO-CSA mass of Texans. and NO it was NOT enforced, unless the LEO thought you were "up to no good".

free the southland,sw

32 posted on 09/09/2002 9:09:10 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: Tijeras_Slim
TRUE! see my post #4.<P.free dixie,sw
33 posted on 09/09/2002 9:10:09 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Gun grabbers are largely elitists. For many of them, they view minorities condescendingly as useful mascots.

Yew said it!

34 posted on 09/09/2002 11:53:49 AM PDT by mafree
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To: spintreebob
Interesting story- thanks for sharing it.
35 posted on 09/09/2002 11:54:55 AM PDT by mafree
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To: norton
You are right- whatever the gun law/regulation is, we should get to vote on it.
36 posted on 09/09/2002 11:57:01 AM PDT by mafree
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To: stand watie
I appreciate your sharing #4- others use more sophisticated language to say the same thing.
37 posted on 09/09/2002 11:58:06 AM PDT by mafree
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To: mafree
What I really meant was how some use inner-city crime to scare everyone into giving up their guns.

The very place where folks are most likely to need to defend themselves and their homes.

38 posted on 09/09/2002 12:19:57 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: mafree
NOT a secret!

it is my VERY humble opinion that that it is the BASE of most of the damnyankee elitists FEAR/HATRED of both guns & the 2d amendment!

in their view us "coloured folks" just can NOT be trusted!

for a free dixie,sw

39 posted on 09/10/2002 9:35:09 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: mafree
if i have offended any sensitive soul on the forum, let me say i don't give a damn.

damnyankee elitists are, imVho, largely RACISTS/fascists and hatemongers, who use fear/racism/loathing/stereotypes to advance their agenda, against the citizens, who "just aren't smart enough to handle their own affairs;thus the citizens need wise persons to direct their conduct."

free dixie,sw

40 posted on 09/10/2002 9:42:07 AM PDT by stand watie
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