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More British Gun Laws on the way (courtesy of the GCN)
Newcastle Evening Chonicle ^ | 12/6/02 - 9/9/02 | Unknown

Posted on 09/09/2002 11:55:18 AM PDT by David Hunter

Teenager shot friend dead with airgun

The Evening Chronicle, 9/9/2002

A 15-year-old boy has been sent to a young offenders' institution for two years for shooting a friend dead with an airgun.

Daryl John Allison was 13 when horseplay with an air rifle ended in tragedy as he shot 14-year-old Matthew Sheffield in the head.

A judge said the Government should use the current session of Parliament to address legislation governing the ownership and use of air weapons.

Judge Peter Fox QC said: "Such legislation is urgently needed. For Matthew not to have died in vain it would be appropriate, and not at all difficult, for that to be passed in the next session of Parliament."

Matthew's parents, Mark and Wendy, called for a national campaign to put pressure on the Government.

Mr Sheffield, a 42-year-old computer programmer, said: "It is a tragedy that Matthew died and it is a tragedy that somebody has had to be sent away but the problem came about because children got their hands on a gun. We just want the Government to act and take the guns out of the hands of kids.

Allison and his older brother Trevor found their father's airgun in the attic of the family home in Croft Road, Eaglescliffe, Stockton-on-Tees, on April 29 last year.

Allison, who was 15 last month, pleaded not guilty from the outset and an earlier jury at Teesside Crown Court failed to reach a verdict and a retrial was ordered.

Judge Fox, sentencing Allison to two years' detention, said: "In my judgment you intended to do more than frighten him, you intended to hurt with the pellet which you blatantly discharged at Matthew."

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Gun laws on the horizon

The Evening Chronicle, 3/9/2002

Changes in Britain's gun laws are expected to be announced in the Queen's Speech.

Parliamentary insiders said they are confident the Government will be addressing the airgun menace in the next session of Parliament.

There has been increasing concern about the number of airguns on Britain's streets since Tyneside schoolgirl Nicola Diston was blinded in one eye by an airgun pellet.

Following the attack we joined forces with Gateshead Council and 16-year-old Nicola's MP, Joyce Quin, to introduce a licensing system for the weapons.

More than 21,000 Chronicle readers signed petitions calling for the Government to introduce tougher legislation on airgun ownership.

A Home Office spokeswoman today conceded the Government was "concerned" at the high number of crimes involving airguns.

She added: "The minister is looking at a number of options. We can't say at this stage whether any new legislation on this issue will be included in the Queen's Speech. That has yet to be decided."

But Home Office Minister Bob Ainsworth has promised a Parliamentary investigation. In July he met a delegation, including the Chronicle, Ms Quin and council representatives. On that occasion he said: "Something needs to be done because I'm worried there's going to be another Nicola Diston."

Gateshead East and Washington West MP Ms Quin confirmed she would be pressing for new legislation.

She said: "The fact that this issue is being taken up by MPs from all over the country shows this is a national problem. The momentum's growing behind the campaign for the licensing of air weapons and higher age limits for their use."

Councillor Mick Henry, leader of Gateshead Council, said: "Even if there is an announcement in the Queen's Speech, that will not signal the end to the campaign.

"We would need to press even harder to ensure the changes we believe need to be made - and which the vast majority of the public would support - make it into law."

Shocking guns haul

A deadly cache was unveiled by police on Tyneside today as new figures reveal there are 30 airgun incidents a day in Britain.

An amnesty in the west end of Newcastle has uncovered 23 airguns, seven air rifles and 45 knives in just six weeks.

Two crossbows, a shotgun, a sword, an imitation firearm and ammo-making kit were also handed in to Westgate Road police station.

Chief Insp Graham Smith of Newcastle West, said: "Once again we have had a tremendous response to our amnesty and we were particularly pleased with the number of air weapons which have been taken out of circulation.

"The response from the public has been great and the surrender of these weapons takes them off the streets, making Newcastle West a safer place in which to live and work."

The message behind the amnesty was that knives and air weapons were not toys and could kill.

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Set on path to crime

Sunderland Echo, 5/8/2002

PARENTS arming their children with airguns are setting them on the path towards violent crime, a gun control campaigner warned today.

The Echo's Gun Law campaign has revealed that some mums and dads buy the deadly weapons as presents for their sons and daughters.

Suzanne Fletcher, a member of the Gun Control network pressure group, today said she was "horrified" to learn that the guns were regarded as playthings by some families.

She has joined the Echo's fight against the airgun menace - a campaign that has already won support from 10,000 Wearsiders, MPs Chris Mullin, Bill Etherington, Joyce Quin and Fraser Kemp, three North East councils and leading animal rights groups.

Our campaign was launched following a spate of airgun shootings which seriously injured victims - in all the cases the marksmen pulling the trigger were youngsters who were breaking the law by possessing the guns. A senior Sunderland policeman last week went on the record to warn that children brandishing the dangerous firearms risked being shot.

Chief Inspector Steve Hopkirk said he would deploy armed response teams to all reported firearms incidents, but he fears it is only a matter of time before Wearsiders brandishing airguns in public are shot because police can't tell whether the weapons are real or fake.

Over the weekend, three Northumberland schoolchildren were surrounded by crackshot police officers while playing with an imitation gun.

Police arrested the three, fingerprinted them and took DNA samples - procedures all armed suspects face since tough Government guidelines on recording crime were introduced in April. They were released after a caution but their DNA will stay on file for life. The drastic action has been slammed by the youngsters' parents, who say the police were "heavy-handed".

But Mrs Fletcher today defended force chiefs action. "Guns can kill and we all have a responsibility to stop weapons, fake or real, from being taken out onto the streets," she said.

"There is a direct link to the rise in violent crime and the increased use of guns. I feel very strongly that giving children guns sets them down the path of careers in crime. You do not become a gangster overnight, and introducing youngsters to weapons can set that awful process in motion."

Mrs Fletcher has been a member of the Gun Control network since its formation in 1996.

The group, set up after the Dunblane massacre, wants to see stricter gun controls and greater awareness of the dangers of gun ownership and use.

"I am delighted the Echo has taken up the issue of tighter controls regulating the use of airguns and congratulate your readers for getting behind the campaign in such massive numbers," she said. "Everyone should be signing the petitions." She is also urging people to join the Gun Control Network.

Call 0208 343 4246 or visit www.gun-control-network.org for more details.

To obtain a copy of our petition, contact the Echo newsdesk on 501 7208.

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Help us catch airgun yob who did this

Sunderland Echo, 12/6/2002

THE Echo today bids to bring an airgun-toting yob to justice by offering a reward for his capture.

The gunman hid in bushes and fired two shots into a Sunderland schoolboy. One hit his victim in the back and another pellet embedded itself in the youngster's calf muscle.

Detectives investigating the Barnes Park shooting have admitted they are struggling for leads in the case. Now the Echo is offering a £100 reward for information leading to the conviction of the person responsible and the recovery of the firearm.

The 14-year-old victim, who is too frightened to be named, needed emergency surgery to remove the pellet from his leg.

Doctors later revealed the shot had missed a main artery and bone by just a centimetre.

The boy told the Echo last week how he heard two cracks then a felt a searing pain in his leg.

With help from his friends he managed to hobble back to his home in Plains Farm and raised the alarm.

His mum said: "He's still in a lot of pain. You never think anything like this will happen to your family. It has happened to us and it could happen to anyone. I hope the Echo's reward convinces people to come forward to police with information. This person has to be caught before they do it again."

Since the shooting the victim's family have made it their personal mission to collect signatures for the Echo's Gun Law campaign, which will be used to lobby Home Secretary David Blunkett into a rethink on the law. Government ministers yesterday promised to review the age at which people can legally own air guns.

The boy's mum added: "I've got over 100 signatures in just a couple of hours. So far everyone I've contacted has been full of support for the campaign. People are outraged that someone is going around purposely shooting at kids for no reason at all."

Her son is now walking on crutches and will need physiotherapy to regain full use of his leg after the shooting which happened two weeks ago.

A team of detectives, led by Acting Detective Inspector Colin McCrudden, is desperate to crack the case.

"This offender has already hospitalised one victim. We are determined that he will not put further innocent members of the public at risk," said Mr McCrudden. "The most important thing is that we recover this dangerous firearm before it does anymore harm."

If you have information which can lead police to the gunman contact Sunderland West CID in confidence, tel: 454 7555.

Alternatively you can contact Crimestoppers, tel: 0800 555 111. You do not have to give your name and you may qualify for a cash reward.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: airgun; banglist; gunlaws; licensing
She said: "The fact that this issue is being taken up by MPs from all over the country shows this is a national problem. The momentum's growing behind the campaign for the licensing of air weapons and higher age limits for their use."

I believe that children, above 14, should not be allowed to use airguns unless supervised by a responsible adult and they certainly should not be allowed to walk the streets with them. However, it is already illegal in Britain to have a loaded airgun in a public place and its a serious offence for an adult to discharge one at someone.

Personally, I doubt that this problem will get better once the government introduces licensing and the requirement to keep all airguns and ammunition under lock and key. How many people who misbehave with airguns would actually hand them in? Are the Police really going to inspect the gun cabinets of each airgun owner to make sure they provide the security the GCN wishes? I'm sure that after a few more nasty incidents the government will be looking to force people to keep their airguns at gun clubs and to provide evidence of 'reasonable need' to own one.

How long will it be before some bright spark at the GCN decides to push for a blanket airgun ban? I've got an idea for the government; why not give people who injure or kill others with airguns long custodial sentences? That might have a deterrent effect, instead of just trying to make it harder for thugs to get airguns which are always going to be easy to get, since they can never be traced and confiscated in the way handguns were.

"The response from the public has been great and the surrender of these weapons takes them off the streets, making Newcastle West a safer place in which to live and work."

Funny how gun control advocates always think less guns mean less crime, regardless of who owns them. I wonder whether or not the little thugs responsible for the majority of airgun attacks would take advantage of a weapons amnesty.

But Mrs Fletcher today defended force chiefs action. "Guns can kill and we all have a responsibility to stop weapons, fake or real, from being taken out onto the streets," she said.

What a load of rubbish! The law already bans people from taking loaded airguns into public places.

"There is a direct link to the rise in violent crime and the increased use of guns. I feel very strongly that giving children guns sets them down the path of careers in crime. You do not become a gangster overnight, and introducing youngsters to weapons can set that awful process in motion."

So she's noticed that firearm related crimes have gone up, in spite of the total ban on handguns has she? I'm amazed by her naivety, letting teenagers shoot airguns sets them on the path to a life of violent crime, does it? Its easy to see the GCN's agenda - ban all gun related activities.

"This offender has already hospitalised one victim. We are determined that he will not put further innocent members of the public at risk," said Mr McCrudden. "The most important thing is that we recover this dangerous firearm before it does anymore harm."

Notice how the airgun has become a 'dangerous firearm' and the real problem is the airgun, not the nutjob who fired it repeatedly on the schoolboy. No doubt if they catch the sadistic sod who did this, they will give him 200 hours community service or a suspended sentence, and blame it on the nasty airgun.

1 posted on 09/09/2002 11:55:19 AM PDT by David Hunter
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To: David Hunter
I think it is high time we stop kidding ourselves about the need for "freedom", "liberty", etc, etc. Some people have misused their "freedom" and "liberty" to make unnecessary, stupid, and counterproductive laws. We have to face the hard facts and get on with the life saving business of regulating pens, pencils, and expecially word processors, particularly those with high capacity hard drives. If it can prevent just one stupid new law, just one, isn't it worth it? After all, it's "for the citizens".
2 posted on 09/09/2002 12:09:19 PM PDT by Still Thinking
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To: MadIvan; Stavka2; Paleo Conservative; bonesmccoy; Conservative til I die; bernie_g; DBtoo; ...
What are your opinions on this issue?

Please ping anyone you know who might be interested in this thread. Thank you very much.

3 posted on 09/09/2002 12:23:55 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: David Hunter
Okay class, how many Brits die each year from air rifles?

Okay, how many Brits die each year watching soccer?

That's right soccer deaths far outweigh air rifle deaths, so let's ban air rifles.

4 posted on 09/09/2002 12:30:40 PM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: David Hunter
Is this a serious post or is it a satire. Surely Great Britain isn't this silly a place now?
5 posted on 09/09/2002 12:34:50 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: Burkeman1
Is this a serious post or is it a satire. Surely Great Britain isn't this silly a place now?

Unfortunately, it's a serious post, and if it gets any sillier I will have to consider emigration.

6 posted on 09/09/2002 12:39:55 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: David Hunter; All
FYI--

Statistical Facts Gun-haters Run From

-Empty-Barrel Gun Policies-A legacy of nonsense from Clinton, Blair, and the Left--

-A Problem With Guns (Long... but SOOOO good)--

-Swiss Gun Laws- and some rebuttal to HCI "spin"--

US vs. Switzerland Gun Laws

Shooting More Holes in Gun Control

Gun Control Down Under

HCI Aussie Style (read it and weep-or laugh)

The Great Australian Gun Law CON!

Gun Crimes Surge in London

7 posted on 09/09/2002 12:46:51 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: David Hunter
Thanks for the ping. Living in South Louisiana, I was practally born with a air rifle in my hand. My dad taught me gun safety and such when I was real young. I moved up to a .22 rifle at the age of 10, a 12 gauge shotgun at 13, and a .30-06 for my high school graduation gift.

I don't know how you put up with the silly gun laws over there. It seems that the government want's to protect you from yourselves. The US is starting to get that way, too. It's just not as extreme (yet).

A gun is a tool, and it's only as good (or bad) as the person that uses it.

8 posted on 09/09/2002 12:47:36 PM PDT by Pern
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To: Wm Bach
Knives, crossbows and blow-pipes can be utilised as deadly weapons, by those who are so inclined, but I don't see any moves to require a licensing system for them.

We already have strict laws concerning the possession, in public places, of items that can be used as offensive weapons. But that doesn't stop people who are intent on causing trouble with them, from doing so.

9 posted on 09/09/2002 12:49:06 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: David Hunter
PARENTS arming their children with airguns are setting them on the path towards violent crime, a gun control campaigner warned today.

LOL!

What utter foolishness.

10 posted on 09/09/2002 12:51:06 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: David Hunter
Parliamentary insiders said they are confident the Government will be addressing the airgun menace in the next session of Parliament.

This is from The Onion, right?

Thousands of Islamofascists are openly meeting in London to plot the destruction of British society and implementation of Sharia law, and they want to address the "airgun menace."

11 posted on 09/09/2002 12:53:05 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: David Hunter
Unfortunately, it's a serious post, and if it gets any sillier I will have to consider emigration.

Get out. Now.

12 posted on 09/09/2002 12:54:02 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: David Hunter
"The response from the public has been great and the surrender of these weapons takes them off the streets, making Newcastle West a safer place for criminals in which to live and work."

Idiots.

"There is a direct link to the rise in violent crime and the increased use of gun" control.

When will they ever figure this out?

13 posted on 09/09/2002 12:56:13 PM PDT by rudypoot
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To: *bang_list
Bang!
14 posted on 09/09/2002 12:56:43 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Still Thinking
If ever they see that Hitchcock TV show where the woman killed her husband with a frozen leg of lamb, the nation will have to go vegetarian.
15 posted on 09/09/2002 12:59:51 PM PDT by scouse
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To: David Hunter
An amnesty in the west end of Newcastle has uncovered 23 airguns, seven air rifles and 45 knives in just six weeks. Two crossbows, a shotgun, a sword, an imitation firearm and ammo-making kit were also handed in to Westgate Road police station.

Pwffftt - so what

Between my neighbor's house and mine, we'd have them beat in every category - with the possible exception of knives. Knives too if you let us count dinner knives and since I have a grinder, I can turn them into some really nasty sharp cutters.

I wonder if they count bomb making materials? Lets see, I've got acetone, mineral spirits, fertalizer, loose cotton, sulfuric acid, gasoline, sugar, flour, methal alcohol, ammonia, propane, pipe, paper, glue, black powder......

Yep, got them beat there too.

16 posted on 09/09/2002 1:02:07 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: john in missouri; David Hunter
Unfortunately, it's a serious post, and if it gets any sillier I will have to consider emigration.

Actually now that you are completely disarmed, we have decided to make GB the 51st state. It should be relatively easy since the common people won't even be able to field an airgun division against us... ;-)

It's amazing what sacrifices the British people are willing to make to illustrate for us the stupidity of gun control. God Bless Them, Every One!

17 posted on 09/09/2002 1:02:41 PM PDT by Isle of sanity in CA
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To: Jagdgewehr
The media are responsible for this push to license, and no doubt eventually prohibit airguns. I was watching the BBC North-East region evening news earlier, and they were giving extensive airtime to the GCN and various other individuals with a serious anti-airgun bias. If anyone is hurt with an airgun its splashed across the newspapers and regional TV instantly.

Recently, I saw a BBC TV documentary calling for a certain make of airgun to be banned immediately, because some gangsters have found a way to adapt them to fire .22 calibre rounds. In the TV program they mentioned the case of a man who was killed with one of these adapted air-pistols last year in London. However, they didn't say it had been illegally adapted to fire real bullets, they just said he was killed with a lethal air pistol! The misinformation being put out by the media is amazing.

18 posted on 09/09/2002 1:07:39 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: David Hunter
In other news, an MP who wished to remain anonymous announced a campaign against the scourge of "comfy chairs" after he witnessed "horrific torture" with such a device on a documentary about Flying Circuses he caught the other day on the television.

Airguns turning kids into gangsters. Bah.

19 posted on 09/09/2002 1:10:05 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: David Hunter
Fingernails. They're forgetting fingernails!!
20 posted on 09/09/2002 1:12:29 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: Isle of sanity in CA
Actually now that you are completely disarmed, we have decided to make GB the 51st state. It should be relatively easy since the common people won't even be able to field an airgun division against us...;-)

Ah, some of us desperate criminal types disobey the law. I've got a 'lethal' air rifle hidden away where the Armed Response Unit would never think to look! I'd be ready for you... :-)

21 posted on 09/09/2002 1:40:17 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: Isle of sanity in CA
We wouldn't want them for a 51 first state. Just some more clueless anti's who don't know anything except they want big brother to do everything for them.
22 posted on 09/09/2002 2:10:12 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Pern
I was practally born with a air rifle in my hand. My dad taught me gun safety and such when I was real young. I moved up to a .22 rifle at the age of 10, a 12 gauge shotgun at 13, and a .30-06 for my high school graduation gift.

By Mrs Fletcher's logic you should be a modern Al Capone by now! I too had an air rifle when I was a kid. There was a horrible old woman who lived near our farm who always used to complain to my grandparents if she saw me in the fields anywhere near her house with it. I only ever fired it while on our property and never gave her any reason to be concerned about it. Unfortunately, there seem to be people out there who feel threatened merely by the presence of any type of gun, no matter who has it.

I don't know how you put up with the silly gun laws over there. It seems that the government want's to protect you from yourselves. The US is starting to get that way, too. It's just not as extreme (yet).

I'm getting very bored with it. The government would rather not hand down long custodial sentences to persistent juvenile burglars, muggers, joy-riders and violent delinquents. But if you were to use anything beyond 'reasonable force' to defend yourself against one, even if they are armed, then you can be sure that you will get a stiff sentence. The problem is that criminals don't follow the law, and juvenile delinquents who fire air rifles at people and property for fun won't hand them in to the Police.

A gun is a tool, and it's only as good (or bad) as the person that uses it.

I agree. It's a pity the GCN doesn't. But, hell, they support the continuing prohibition in Britain of Olympic shooting practice with a .22 calibre single-shot target pistol, so what can you expect from them?

23 posted on 09/09/2002 2:10:46 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: riverrunner
We wouldn't want them for a 51 first state. Just some more clueless anti's who don't know anything except they want big brother to do everything for them.

I'm a libertarian myself, and I'm seriously considering leaving Britain to work as a postdoctoral research scientist abroad. What parts of the USA would you suggest to a Brit who hates left-liberalism and statism?

24 posted on 09/09/2002 2:14:56 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: David Hunter
Liberals will not stop until they outlaw death, itself.
25 posted on 09/09/2002 2:24:06 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: David Hunter; Still Thinking
Mr Sheffield, a 42-year-old *****, said: "It is a tragedy that Matthew died and it is a tragedy that somebody has had to be sent away but the problem came about because children got their hands on a gun. We just want the Government to act and take the guns out of the hands of kids.

Sheffield owned the gun. Why is he so lacking in responsability that his kid and kid friend got the gun. This is the boob that needs jail time along with the nitwit that did the shooting.

26 posted on 09/09/2002 2:28:23 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lion Den Dan; Still Thinking
Actually it was Daryl Allison's father who owned the airgun, which was lying around in the attic of their family home. But I agree with you, it's ridiculous to strengthen the laws regarding the age at which people can own airguns, when children can get them by unofficial routes. Any sensible person keeps an airgun or firearm securely looked up, or at the very least, they keep the ammunition separate from the gun. This bloke didn't bother, but no one is criticising him - they just call for tougher gun laws. Anything that puts the responsibilty onto someone else's shoulders.
27 posted on 09/09/2002 2:48:45 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: David Hunter
or at the very least, they keep the ammunition separate from the gun.

What about guns used for self-defense? It's not very useful to have an unloaded gun when you're trying to defend your life. Oh, I forgot you are located in England where self-defense is illegal.

28 posted on 09/09/2002 3:22:34 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: David Hunter
I know that those in the UK won't see things this way, but this is just plain comical. More gun laws?!? Some of us on this side of the "pond" are starting to wonder when fresh fruit will be outlawed.
29 posted on 09/09/2002 3:26:43 PM PDT by Redcloak
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To: David Hunter
Not California... Though the weather's terrific and, as looney as the State government is, it's better than what I've heard of the UK.
30 posted on 09/09/2002 3:29:02 PM PDT by Redcloak
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To: Paleo Conservative
What about guns used for self-defense? ...I forgot you are located in England where self-defense is illegal.

That's right, if you shot someone in Britain, even if they were armed and had just broken into your house, you would be looking at a prison sentence. There have been cases where householders have been jailed for threatening burglars with replica firearms.

I suppose that would be laughed at in Texas?

31 posted on 09/09/2002 3:31:52 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: David Hunter
I'm a libertarian myself, and I'm seriously considering leaving Britain to work as a postdoctoral research scientist abroad. What parts of the USA would you suggest to a Brit who hates left-liberalism and statism?


32 posted on 09/09/2002 3:32:21 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
I walked into that one!
33 posted on 09/09/2002 3:35:50 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: Paleo Conservative
When we British think of Texas, we imagine oil wells and cowboys, obviously that's an ignorant sterotype. Does Texas have Agricultural/Microbiology/Biotechnology research industry? That's the field I did my PhD in, and the area I would like to pursue a career in. There aren't many opportunities here in Britain, so I probably ought to consider working abroad, regardless of politics.
34 posted on 09/09/2002 3:46:05 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: Paleo Conservative
Long history of resistance to gun grabbers in Texas:

Gonzales Flag 1835

COME-AND-TAKE-IT -Flag Texans reply to give up a cannon which it had borrowed from a Mexican garrison to defend itself from Indians. A single shot in early October 1835 kept the Mexicans from retaking the cannon.

35 posted on 09/09/2002 3:54:02 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch
Long history of resistance to gun grabbers in Texas:

Oh yes, I've posted that flag before on Free Republic. My late grandfather owned land just 15-20 miles from Gonzales, Texas, and I had several college friends from Gonzales. The only thing I don't like about Gonzales County is how stuck up some of the people who live or are from there are. You're basically a nobody if you aren't a member of SRT or DRT. It's even better to also be a member of SAR or DAR.

36 posted on 09/09/2002 4:26:29 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: David Hunter
Find map of the last election and anyplace that voted strongly for Bush. Trouble to do what you want to do means more likely or not that you well have to go to a major city and most of them are much worse the rest of the country. Stay away from the East and West coasts But the larger midwest citys are just as bad. Go to a state that allows CCW.
37 posted on 09/09/2002 6:55:10 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: David Hunter
There have been cases where householders have been jailed for threatening burglars with replica firearms. I suppose that would be laughed at in Texas?

Many states,especially Texas, have a "Make my Day" law. Basically, if a bad guy is in your house you can kill him and be immune from prosecution. An intruder in my home will find he has stumbled into a hornet's nest of steel tipped .223,.308,.45,.40, and buckshot. And that's just what I can reach from my bed.

IMO, England's government has far exceeded the criteria for violent revolt. Sheesh, I get pissed off just because we are required to have permits for machine guns and anti-tank rifles. If you don't have a right to self defense what rights do you have? You can't enjoy any rights if you are dead or in fear of thugs. Not even the British kings went as far as to ban self defense. What was once the cradle of Western civility is devolving into a Clockwork Orange.

Get out now. Florida's nice but hot and full of bugs, Colorado is beautiful and has lots of R&D, forget California, bits of Arizona,Utah,Idaho,and New Mexico are nice.

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38 posted on 09/09/2002 7:05:48 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: David Hunter
I would like to comment on all this, but I just don't know what to say.
39 posted on 09/09/2002 7:20:02 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle
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To: David Hunter
That first story brought to mind an incident concerning my cousin some years ago. When he was 13 or 14, he and a buddy went out hunting in rural Louisiana where they lived. There was an accident; the friend's gun went off, and my cousin was shot in the head although the bullet grazed his head more than anything. He was badly hurt, but came out of it okey. It was regarded as an accident and nothing more. There was no article in the paper calling for guns to be outlawed, no lawsuit, but of course times were a bit different then.
40 posted on 09/09/2002 9:45:05 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: scouse
I remember that Hitchcock leg of lamb episode!
41 posted on 09/09/2002 9:49:16 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: David Hunter
I would look into Texas A&M. Very good university for that sort of thing.
42 posted on 09/09/2002 9:59:14 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: David Hunter
I forgot to mention. Texas has no income tax.
43 posted on 09/09/2002 11:07:25 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: David Hunter
My reading of the situation is:

Airguns are protected by our 2nd Amendment. U.S. vs. Miller established that the 2nd Amendment only applies to military weapons. Lewis and Clark carried an airgun on their mission. The expedition was a military mission.

44 posted on 09/10/2002 3:47:58 AM PDT by Buffalo Head
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To: David Hunter
There has been no noticeable improvement to our public safety since the banning of firearms. This is merely an indication of leftist thinking - the way to cure people of evil, in their view, is to remove the instruments of perpetrating evil. But the problem is that instruments are easy to come by.

It's idiocy in other words.

Regards, Ivan

45 posted on 09/10/2002 3:50:12 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
This is merely an indication of leftist thinking - the way to cure people of evil, in their view, is to remove the instruments of perpetrating evil. But the problem is that instruments are easy to come by.

I agree. When I was a 12 year old, I made a crossbow which could have killed someone at close range easily. A dangerous/lethal weapon can be improvised by anyone who wants it. Using, or threatening to use, such a weapon on someone is an offence and possessing one in a public place is also an offence. The problem is that the government prefers not to give juveniles, and if justified, their parents, serious punishments for using airguns as offensive weapons. They would rather try and demonise inanimate objects and restrict everyone's access to them, in order to win votes from the left-wingers and the liberals. Most of these people seem to labour under the illusion that owning any type of gun causes criminal behaviour in sane people.

The only way to discourage any person from attacking another with any kind of weapon is to have serious punishments in place for that crime. Registering airguns won't help, because the people who misuse them won't bother to register them. Teaching children the dangers of 'horseplay' with airguns and holding them and their parents reponsible for any delinquent behaviour with them, makes more sense than licensing them, or requiring them to be locked up in gun cabinets. Besides, hooligans can always get, or make other weapons; like crossbows, blow-pipes etc.

46 posted on 09/10/2002 3:51:01 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: David Hunter
God help you British.

I really feel sorry for you, I'm sure we could use your talents in an American company.

As for guns:

TEACH YOUR CHILDREN FIREARMS SAFETY!!, NOW!!
Children that are raised to respect firearms and to properly handle firearms are not the ones that cause problems. Children have a natural curiosity towards firearms, especially when they are told to stay away.

Notice that I use the word "firearms", the anti's never use that word. Also handguns should always be called "sidearms". I know that since you live in England you probably do not even have such a thing as Hunter Safety classes availiable to kids, that sucks.

The only way to have freedom is to get out of there and come on over here. We can use more freedom loving people.
All the Best,
47 posted on 09/10/2002 6:42:49 PM PDT by Trteamer
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To: David Hunter
"I am delighted the Echo has taken up the issue of tighter controls regulating the use of airguns and congratulate your readers for getting behind the campaign in such massive numbers," she said. "Everyone should be signing the petitions."

Where is the logic behind gun control laws. CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS. It does not matter what laws pass banning airguns or knives or whatever. The banned items will come into the country on the black market and criminals will get the weapons they desire whether it be air rifles, revolvers, semi automatic handguns, or automatic submachine guns. These laws will only affect those people who wish to follow them.

48 posted on 09/10/2002 10:17:11 PM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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To: Buffalo Head
lewis and clark carried an airgun on their mission?

really? wow, i thought sacagewea carried the airgun?

49 posted on 09/14/2002 7:49:30 PM PDT by teeman8r
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