I have never felt more proud or more alone (pro-Israel demonstrator gets spat on......BY ANTI NAZIS)

Washington Jewish Week ^ | August 24, 2002 | Sarah Kopelovich

[rmlew]

An Israel that accepted any Arab claiming to be a Palestinina would be voted out of existance in 2 years.
Look what the Muslims did to Christian Lebanon!
As for the occupation, i say expell the Arabs to the Arab country in Palestine, The Kingdom of Jordan.

[rmlew]

If anyone wants to contact Ms Kopelovich, I did a GWU seach for her.

Your search for Kopelovich resulted in a total of 1 match.
Kopelovich, Sarah
Email: kokopeli@gwu.edu

[Revolting cat!]

Uhm, we got a problem then (with them neo-nazis), ain't we? What are they going to do next? Take over the Principality of Andorra? San Marino in the heart of the once Nazi friendly Italy? No, I get it! They'll take over all of the web sites dedicated to Frankie and Annette, of which there are more now than neo-Nazi web sites and still, surprisingly, no alarms about it have been raised.

Me thinks that a belief in the danger of some clowns who call themselve or rather who are labeled as the neo-Nazis is itself a dangerous cult. But that's just me...

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

She is a brave young lady and can be proud of herself for standing up.

But I have a question.

She writes: To these Nazi sympathizers, who applaud the victimization of minorities, of Jews, who extol the brutal slaughter of 12 million people including whole branches of my family tree...

How did the Holocaust of 6 million people get to be a Holocaust of 12 million? Is she mistaken or using hyperbole? Or was she writing about some other slaughter of millions?

[Alouette]

How did the Holocaust of 6 million people get to be a Holocaust of 12 million?

By including all the victims who weren't Jews?

[Dan Day]

I could accept Israel if it abandoned Jewish exclusivism and welcomed back returning Palestinian Arab refugees as well as Jewish immigrants.

Then you're either incredibly naive, or you're transparently hoping for the destruction of Israel from within.

Which is it?

Feel free to explain why you think it's a marvelous idea for Israel to welcome into its land a flood of millions of people who wish to destroy Israel and Jews. That's not to say that all Palestinians do, but there are clearly huge numbers of them who fervently wish it, enough so that a "right of return" would overwhelm Israel like christening a highway for trojan horses.

This is either what you want to happen, or you're so amazingly ignorant of the situation that it's hard to take your pronouncements about "what Israel should do" seriously.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

By including all the victims who weren't Jews?

I had considered that. But I always thought that the 6 million figure accounted for the Romanians and the Poles, etc, etc.

[Phillip Augustus]

Good point about Israel, and I am inclined to agree.

Now, let's take it to the next level.

Why should Europe welcome into its land a flood of millions of people who wish to destroy Europe and Europeans?

Yet, Europe (and America) are expected to welcome millions of hordes of Third Worlders. If they don't, Abe Foxman will express concern about their racism. Why the double standard?

[quebecois]

While I feel sympathetic to this girl's plight at that rally, the underlying problem that she has is her own fault: her worldview is a jumble of contradictory opinions.

Her letter is sprinkled with a variety of "blood and soil" phrases that have specific philosophical ramifications:

"my Jewish identity was rekindled"

"together with my Jewish bretheren in our homeland" (is she an American? If so...isn't America her "homeland"?)

"could I let them disrespect this symbol of my people?"

Tragically, many Jews have been playing a double game for many decades now. They have been relentless in attacking an destroying any manifestation of group identity amongst non-Jewish white people. The main strategy has been to ally with various non-white racial groups and propagate the idea that any such manifestation of white group identity is the equivalent of racism and Nazism.

Meanwhile, they have been equally relentless in supporting a nation that is founded on the very same group-based identity that they have found so horrible in other whites.

Should Israel have a Jewish star on its flag? If so...would she accept a cross on the US flag? (nope...it would make her feel like an outsider)

Should Israel bar immigration by anyone who isn't Jewish? If so....why shouldn't France or the UK only allow French and English descended people to immigrate? (nope....that would be 'racist')

As Ayn Rand once said "contradictions don't exist, if you find one, check your premises".

The Faustian bargain that many Jews have made (namely, to attack non-jewish white ethnic identity to prevent Jews from feeling like 'outsiders' and 'excluded' by working to radicalize nonwhite racial groups and promoting universalist philosophy) is coming home to roost.

In my years at various universities, Jewish liberals were at the forefront of "antiracist" movements aimed at placing all whites under the universalist microscope. South Africa was evil because it didn't allow blacks to vote....third world immigration had to continue unabated regardless of the demographic consequences across Europe and the US....affirmative action was sacrosanct because whites had to be punished for "past discrimination".....etc etc etc.

Now...this same universalistic ideology is being applied to Jews.

My entire college experience revolved around my being villified for my race, my gender, and my religion. I was the epitome of evil in the universe. I lost count of the number of times that the historic accomplishments of Western Man were smeared and my ancestors were maligned....slavery, Indian massacres, global warming...you name it.

And many of the folks doing the smearing and maligning were just like dear Sarah here.

I'm sorry if I sound a little cynical...but she's only upset that this stuff is being thrown her way for the first time. If this anti-Israel stuff blew over tomorrow...she'd be back on the anti-white political bandwagon in a NY minute.

[Revolting cat!]

Excellent. BUMP!

[Phillip Augustus]

It is ironic that the demonization of Israel, aside from that which comes from the extreme fringe of the right, comes largely from minority groups and the far Left, isn't it?

[Admin Moderator]

Your post was hanging up the thread, even on a cable modem... had to pull it.

[rmlew]

Because Foxman is a leftist.
Black leftists are leftist on all matter, but sometimes break on issues relating to blacks.
Jewish liberals sometimes break with liberal orthodoxy over Jewish interests.

I've got a question for you. Given teh realities of Israel, should paleo-cons support it? It is a Western nation-state built around an ethnic core.
I'm not talking about supporting US aid to Israel, but I do find the Palestinianism of some paleos and most white nationalists to be troubling. They seem to put anti-Semetism ahead of nationalism. In so doing, they undermine all paelos.

[Phillip Augustus]

About Foxman, you are correct, but Foxman is not only a leftist, but a hypocrite for pushing a double standard. Though, I think you acknoweldge that later in your post.

That many paleos, Pat Buchanan NOT included, seem to go beyond desiring American non-involvement in the Middle East vis-a-vis Israel and Palestine, and actually shed crocodile tears for the 'poor, oppressed Palestinians' is ridiculous, and certainly does more harm than good. I can only speak for myself, but I have no quarrel whatsoever with the existence of Israel. Like Europe, though, if the people therein don't start having more babies, they're going to lose it...which is another topic altogether, I suppose.

[MissAmericanPie]

Liberals are so tolerant, don't you know. They love the Palestinians, because they are as souless and dark minded as they are. They are birds of a feather, finally the left has drifted so far left that their cover is blown, and they are seen for the nazi's they are and have always been.

[ganesha]

Where is the 6 mil non-jew figure from? Wasn't the total death toll from WW2 something like 40 million?

[Prodigal Son]

I can't make heads nor tails of your post. Are you saying there are no neo Nazis in America or what exactly? The post I was responding to- you used the number ten. While I admit that their number might not be incredibly high and indeed exaggerated by the media, there are a lot more than ten. Hell, there were probably that many in the immediate neighborhood where I grew up in Georgia. I've seen footage of some of these characters' rallies and there were certainly a lot more than a few dozen involved. And that was just one place.

They might not be the problem that the media portray them to be, but to deny that they aren't there is pretty naive. I don't think the Turner Diaries was a runaway best seller (we certainly won't be seeing it on the NYTs list anytime soon- hopefully) but it did (does) enjoy quite a little cult success. I've seen estimates of around 500,000 copies sold over the years (who knows how many downloads. That any American would read and "take wisdom" from such a work or look on it as a blueprint or battleplan is sickening. That any American would slide a Swastika armband on his sleeve, or salute Hitler or burn across is also revolting. And they're out there- I have first hand experience.

I hate the liberals, but I hate American Nazis no less. They are all enemies of freedom and all enemies of the USA.

[glory]

I agree, but she isn't alone. She's in the midst of radicals from either side--I say, what did she expect. Fortunately many American and liberal Jews are waking up to who is really on thier side. Most Christians I know stand firmly with Israel. Most are also conservative. While she decries that people are lumping civil rights movement in with Palistinian whatever it is, she made the mistake of lumping conservative, and probably Christian, in with neo-nazis or she would have seen this for herself a long time ago.
I jump for joy, not that she was attacked, but that this type of harassment is opening the eyes of SOME minority groups that some people have seen them as useful idiots only.

[glory]

She definitely has more to fear from them since thier types have a good strangle hold on the media, college campuses, etc. The neo-nazis don't have the political power and media avenues to be any sort of threat to the Jewish community, but the liberals do.