So, let's experiment a little. If such a sect should side with Arafat and declare that yes, Israel should cease to exist and the Jews should accept whatever he wished to visit upon them, they would be "non-self-hating"? (I prefer the term antisemites, actually - it carries the correct associations, which is no doubt why the neonazis are quite keen to get rid of it).
They are not mainstreme. The American people want immigration reform and the media will not allow its discussion.
Sorry. I meant mainstream in the sense of representing most Americans. Sam Francis is certainly not mainstream in that sense, and he seems to make up a great part of that site, and so the site is not representative for the views of most Americans. I can go on explaining this to the micro level, of course. It'll take time.
1. Most sociologists will tell you that race is a social construct. (I don't buy this). If so, then Jews, who consider themsevles a race and are considered a race, are a race.
So the argument is bogus, and you admit it's bogus. Yet you still lean on it.
2. Jews from all over the world really do share a lot more genetic code than most think.
So many Jews share some genetic code. And that has what to do with race? Genetic code will tell you a few things about bloodlines - family type of stuff. A genetic marker doesn't necessarily signify a racial characteristic. Another bogus argument.
Now consider this: if I were to convert to Judaism, I would be a Jew. That single fact alone renders your whole "racial platform" null and void. There are things that are sort of special about the Jews as a people, but race doesn't enter into it.
A piece of advice for you: if you absolutely must debate racial questions, it behooves you to get a grip on what race is.
American Indians are anything but the ethnic core. This was not thier country. They were subjects of the various Indian Nations. They were not citizens. We took their land.
This is senseless and ridiculous.
The central core is the white, mostly British, populace at the founding, who make up 1/3 of Americans. They set up the polity and are what everyone else is supposed to assimilate to.
And so is this.
If you think Israel doesn't have a racial core, let in 3 million Arabs (who you think Sephardim and Mizrahim resemble)
Where, exactly, did I mention Sephardim and Mizrahim? Seems you are running a parallel argument somewhere else, with someone else. Are you? And what exactly is that supposed to mean anyway? There are Arabs in Israel. Not to mention Black Jews and Asian Jews ;).
So the argument is bogus, and you admit it's bogus. Yet you still lean on it.
Race is either made up or genetic. I showed evidence that Jews as a race works under both definitions.
"2. Jews from all over the world really do share a lot more genetic code than most think."
So many Jews share some genetic code. And that has what to do with race? Genetic code will tell you a few things about bloodlines - family type of stuff. A genetic marker doesn't necessarily signify a racial characteristic. Another bogus argument.
If consistancy of genetic markers across many subgroups of people who claim to belong to one race doesn't make them a race, what would?
Now consider this: if I were to convert to Judaism, I would be a Jew. That single fact alone renders your whole "racial platform" null and void. There are things that are sort of special about the Jews as a people, but race doesn't enter into it.
And once you or your children start married "real" Jews, they your grand children would be blood members of the race.
If 100% purity is your standar, no race exists.
A piece of advice for you: if you absolutely must debate racial questions, it behooves you to get a grip on what race is.
What then is race?
"American Indians are anything but the ethnic core. This was not thier country. They were subjects of the various Indian Nations. They were not citizens. We took their land."
This is senseless and ridiculous.
It is fact.
1. Indians were not citizens at our founding. The were seperate nations. Read the Constituion.
2. The Indians did not invite us. WE invaded their land, constituted a new nation, and took over. This is nothing new in human history.
" The central core is the white, mostly British, populace at the founding, who make up 1/3 of Americans. They set up the polity and are what everyone else is supposed to assimilate to."
And so is this.
I see SO MANY BLakcs, Russians, Italians, Chinese, and Indians when reading a list of founders of this country or looking at early voting rolls.
"If you think Israel doesn't have a racial core, let in 3 million Arabs (who you think Sephardim and Mizrahim resemble)"
Where, exactly, did I mention Sephardim and Mizrahim? Seems you are running a parallel argument somewhere else, with someone else. Are you? And what exactly is that supposed to mean anyway? There are Arabs in Israel. Not to mention Black Jews and Asian Jews ;).
1. If Jews are not a seperate race, tehn they belong to the race of people where they are from. Ashkenzim are White, Sephardim and Misrahim are Arabs. I'm pointing out a flaw.
2. Aren't Jews from Arabia and Persia "Asian"?
3. The Falashas are your best case. I would note that they do not look like Ethiopians. They have many Semetic and European characteristics. Facial structure is different, hair color is more diverse...