Smart move, but if you have faith in God you should also believe His word is faithful and true. Judging by your own statements you don't appear to do that.
I look past the book that has been under the control of so many corrupt governments and follow my Faith.
No government can control God's word. Men and devils have tried for millennia to corrupt or destroy the old book, but He has kept his Holy Word intact. His word is forever settled in heaven and will never be corrupted. "Heaven and earth may pass away, but the word of the Lord abideth forever". If you "look past the book" and invent your own "faith" apart from the bible it's not the Christianity that is set forth in His word.
I believe God loves us , and didn't put us here to suffer at the hands of His enemies.
God does love us more than we can comprehend, but He never promised we would not suffer under tyrannical governments. Look at the apostles, all were persecuted and died as martyrs under Rome and other pagan governments. Millions of Christian martyrs have died at the hands of tyrants and false religions. Americans are unique in the degree of religious freedom we have enjoyed. That could end at any time.
We continue to put our governments above Him , and then pray for those governments when things are going bad.
God commands us to obey the king (government) and pray for all those in authority whether or not they are Christians. but of course we aren't told to put government before God. His commandments must always take precedence over those of government.
If we would follow Him , corruption wouldn't exist. We wouldn't allow it to.
Agreed. But America elected the Clintons TWICE and it is now suffering the consequences. If America had followed God the Clinton's would never have gained the office of dogcatcher. Nevertheless, Clinton was the legally elected head of government and the bible instructs Christians to honor and obey lawfully chosen rulers. I may not like it, but there it is in Romans plain as day. But then I suppose you will cite that as another example of government control of the bible.
I don't know if there is enough time to turn the things around that we have allowed to happen. But even if there isn't I believe that's what we should be working towards.
I agree to a point. We can't "turn things around" in the sense that we could prevent fullfillment of bible prophecy, but we certainly should do all we can to hold government to a standard of honesty and morality even though we know we will ultimately fail to do so.
We HAVE to get the government out of our Churches and schools. And we HAVE to hold our politicians to Gods' Laws and base all of man's laws on Gods' Laws.
No argument there, but I don't see that happening, do you? BTW, I know government is in the schools, but in what way is it in our churches? I'm asking in sincerity. I'm an independent Baptist and there's no government in our church other than the system of church government prescribed by the bible.
Then naturally things will begin to turn around in our favor. Because Gods' enemies will crumble in His Light.
Things would turn around IF we turned back to God, but I believe the tide in America is running in the opposite direction. God's enemies will eventually be dealt with by Him, but not necessarily in this present age. Many incredibly evil kings and rulers have flourished over the centuries and God allowed them to live and die in peace and prosperity. He settles his accounts in his time, not ours.
God has given us all we need to do this , but it will never happen in State churches.
I don't know of any state churches in the USA. I think the USSC would object if there were any. Please elaborate. Or, if by 'state churches" you mean the big mainline denominations that belong to the World Council of Churches, I suppose they could be considered state churches in one sense. Many of them seem to be seeking to replace God with a socialistic global government.
And it will never happen running to a corrupt government for answers. We HAVE to follow our Faith and hold our politicians to being the servants they are supposed to be , instead of accepting them as superiors and lords.
Agreed. In our form of government the rulers are elected and accountable to the people. They aren't "lords", at least not in theory.
I don't believe when God said "Give unto Caesar , what is Caesar's" that He meant His people owed Caesar anything.
Paul's epistles tell us that we are to abide by all legally enacted laws which do not force us to disobey or dishonor God. Tax laws are just that, laws. I also think our taxes are outrageously out of line, but they aren't as onerous as the tribute which Rome demanded from it's subect nations and Jesus told Peter to pay it for both himself and Peter.
I base that on Gods' own people not being able to own anything of this world , so how can any man who calls himself god , own anything of this world , including Gods' people.
I'm not sure where you find that God's people can't own anything. Abraham was a very rich man and God called him His friend. Solomon was the richest man in the world at the time, but God dictated three books of the bible plus two Psalms through him. Cornelius was a wealthy Roman officer who believed in Jesus and was baptised by Peter.There are countless examples of wealthy Christians throughout history.
Jesus told the rich young ruler to give his riches to the poor, but that was His way of showing that the man was not completely serious about seeking salvation. His great sin was avarice, and Jesus knew he would go away sorrowful rather than give up his wealth. A warning to all of us that eternal life is of far more value than temporal wealth.
Governments aren't appointed by God anymore , Christ gave us Freewill to appoint our leaders and live our lives
Totally incorrect. God said that He sets up rulers and He brings down rulers. Paul tells us that government is ordained by God, and that rulers are God's ministers for good. Government was instituted by God for the benefit of man, not for his harm. Ungodly, wicked rulers have often made government a curse on their subjects, but even that situation is preferable to anarchy in God's viewpoint. God commands us through the apostle Paul to obey those who lawfully rule over us except for observing laws which would cause us to disobey Him.
Suggest you re-read Romans 13. Oh I forgot, you believe the bible is controlled by the government, so you wouldn't accept those passages as legitimate.
But for some reason we are not able to add two plus two , while we watch presidents become millionaires while they are in office , as they export our jobs and over tax us , the whole time telling us "How GOOD the economy is".
OK, I won't argue with most of that. I don't fully agree that the government is exporting jobs, but I won't argue the point on this thread.
We deserve the ending of the Bible , but I believe we can change it , if we are willing to stand up with Christ and face His enemies , instead of being servile to them. I believe a Loving God will stand with His people , if they are not afraid to show Him the respect He deserves
I don't know where to start with that one. First, yes we do deserve God's wrath. BUT because God has imputed the rightousness of his Son to those of us whose sin is under His blood, we are destined not for wrath but eternal life. And, the "ending of the bible" isn't something that Christians should dread, since it "ends" with Satan cast into hell and the saints entering into God's eternal Heaven.
Secondly, as I said in a previous post, the prophecies of God are sure and certain. We can't change what God has already seen happen in His omniscient view of time. The end of the present age will usher in a Messianic kingdom age which will be under the rightous and just rule of King Jesus in the city of His father David. His "father" by virtue of His legal lineage through both His stepfather Joseph and His natural mother Mary, both of whom were in the royal line that descended from David. Until that event occurs the world will continue to experience tribulation and sorrow. I won't get into the argument of whether or not the Church will go through the Great Tribulation, but we are surely going to suffer many tribulations (plural) as long as we are in this present evil age.
I don't mean to assume something with so little basis for the assumption, but I get an impression that perhaps you subscribe to the "Christian Dominion" doctrine which claims that Christians must, and will, bring in the Millennial Kingdom by literally conquering the world for Christ. That's an appealing idea to some Christians, but it's problem is that it's not supported by scripture. I hope this post doesn't offend you. I don't mean it to offend anyone, I just have to stand for the truth as I believe it to be.
First there has been corruption in the Church since before Christ came on the scene. Which to me proves that men have used Gods' Word and control of Gods' Word to achieve their own agenda.
Christ pretty much wrecked the Pharisees control over Gods' people , which brought on the " Crucify Him " chants to Pontius Pilate pleading for His death.
We can go again to the early Catholic church and the pagan idols and celebration days that are intertwined in Christianity.
To me that is CHANGING Gods' Word , and that was before 400AD If I remember right. So now we have the control of Gods' Word for 1,100 years by the Catholic church. Controlled by Popes who loaned money to the likes of Vlad the Impaler so he could wage war on his enemies.
Does the Bible say that is okay ?
Does the Bible say , bring in the pagans and compromise my Word , so that more money can be collected ?
I know God is in the Bible , I know people who could recite the Bible backwards and ask them many questions. But I believe there are subtle deceptions and why translating Gods' Word into english , so more people could know Him , brought so much trouble to the church.
Christ threw the money changers tables over in front of Judah's Temples , and I'm saying that todays money changers are controlling our Temples again ( for the people behind our government ).
In Rome , Caesar controlled his holdings through incorporation. Incorporation goes back to 600BC in Greece and pretty much means " government control ". Christian's were slaughtered in Rome not because of who they worshipped , but because they refused to get a license ( "licit" in Caesar's day ) from Caesar or incorporate to worship Christ.
Since the 50's most of America's Churches have incorporated. I put a link up earlier that leads to this information , here it is again.
I asked a Pastor if his church was incorporated and he answered yes. I explained my position , and he told me the government hasn't told them what to say , yet.
But the government DOES tell churches what they CAN'T say , which is the same thing.
In order for a church to keep their "tax exempt " status ( granted by the government ) they are not allowed to speak out against government policies , or support or oppose politicians.
The way I look at it , Jesus would not hold His tounge about homosexuality or abortion. Also I don't believe He would remain silent if an evil man was running for a position that gave him control over God's people.
Our Churches are TAX FREE , which protects them from government intrusion. Which is what " Separation of Chruch and State " means. It doesn't mean that the government can kick God out of our public lives , because it " offends " someone. It means the government has NO CONTROL over our religion.
So to me , once again the church has compromised Gods' Word.
Believe me I'm not trying to create a new religion like scientology , I'm only looking for the Truth and I have found so much deception it's scary.
Our "government" has labeled Christian's as EXTREME.
Our "government" has given the FBI permission to spy on America's Churches.
I don't think I am too far off in my thinking. And believe me , it is very important to me to better my relationship with Christ. This causes me a lot of anxiety in the deceptions I have found , and the only good part is my relationship with Christ.
I believe I have been led to much of the information I talk about. Whether it was for my own enlightening or so I could share the information , I'm not sure. I do believe this information can bring peoiple to Christ , as it did for me.
I have made it easier to find this information by listing the book "Hope of the Wicked " by Ted Flynn. Which contains the most information and the most detail on this information , of all the books I have read.
And our "government" did recruit businesses to leave America and relocate and paid for the relocations with our tax money. Check out a book named " America What Went Wrong ? " , I've loaned my copy out and don't remember the authors name.
Everything I talk about is in the Bible , this book put todays names and dates in front of You so You can see it happening. I realize the Bible accomplishes the same thing , but I believe seeing that men are behind these things makes our position more positive , if we would just STAND UP WITH CHRIST and not accept the things He would not accept.
That's why I believe the ending can be changed. If we drag Gods' enemies into His Light I believe they will crumble.
On fertile ground I believe Christianity would spread like wild fire. But that can't happen while our government controls what Churches "can't say" and controls our schools.
It's such a big part of me , that I can't deny it. The last thing I would knowingly do , would be to defy God or mislead His people.
And I don't take the things You say negatively. I appreciate the discussion.
Peace