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To: jstone78
There have been dozens of these threads on FR over the years.

The extreme vast majority of Jews, like most people, just want to be left alone, thank you.

There are dozens of historical examples where proselytizing begat pogroms. These episodes and that pattern are a part of Jewish history that leads many Jews to fear such activity.

Now, I am NOT repeat NOT accusing these folks of doing anything other than carrying out the Lord's will as they see it.

But please have some sympathy for a people who've seen this all before (many times) and simply want to be left alone.

4 posted on 09/15/2002 5:35:52 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: NativeNewYorker
But proselytizing among Jews is also an essential part of Christian history. I would hazard the guess that at least through the 1st century AD a majority of Christians were Jews (I thought of saying "former Jews," but that is begging the question -- Christianity and rabbinical Judaism are both descendants of the Judaism that preceded both; they both regard themselves as the true successor of Judaism.)

How can you ask Christians to abandon that part of their history, especially when their theology calls on them to spread the Good Word?

6 posted on 09/15/2002 5:45:38 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: NativeNewYorker
The extreme vast majority of Jews, like most people, just want to be left alone, thank you.

Well if that's the case then all they have to do is say no to those trying to convert them, just like the rest of us have to do when it comes to the preaching of religious beliefs we don't believe in.
It seems the overly defensive and hostile reactions towards Jews for Jesus betrays a certain paranoia and insecurity.
And in my opinion it is for good reason, since Jesus is Lord and one day all will acknowledge Him.

13 posted on 09/15/2002 5:54:53 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: NativeNewYorker
Too Funny. "Evangelical" christians are content to cheer the Jews in Israel, whom they see as a catspaw against Islam.

But when Jews here in the U.S. evince a distrust of these same evangelicals' proselytizing efforts, suddenly they're "anti-christian bigots"!

Man, you can't even MAKE this stuff up!

18 posted on 09/15/2002 6:02:32 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: NativeNewYorker
{....But please have some sympathy for a people who've seen this all before (many times) and simply want to be left alone....}

They can always say - No, thanks. And the missionary will move on to the next person.

I am not insensitive to the concerns of the Jewish community.

But if Christians preach the gospel to all of humanity, but decide to single out Jews as the only group of non-Christians to whom we should not share the gospel, that would be DISCRIMINATION. And it would be against our faith.
27 posted on 09/15/2002 6:12:52 PM PDT by jstone78
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To: NativeNewYorker; 2sheep; Yehuda; Prodigal Daughter
The more aggressive the sales pitch, the more pushy the spirit... a spirit that does not take rejection very well. It must be an ego thing to *win* souls... it looks more like some sort of spiritual lotto or bingo game, rather than a love for one's fellow man. Creepy. I see that the Jews are rightfully leery of these shenanigans. There are several complaints in this thread about taking verses out of context. Well here's something that'll frost 'em:

Acts 28:27-29

27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles JEWS, and that they will hear it.
29 And when he had said these words, the Jews CHURCH departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.


Jeremiah 23:5-6 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

121 posted on 09/16/2002 5:46:21 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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