Posted on 09/19/2002 7:14:35 PM PDT by Stultis
Do you mean as opposed to a real false religion?
Across America, "Billybob" is watching FOX while reloading another batch of 300 Ultramax.
You are wrong. Robertson is a peaceful man, nothing like Muhammed.
If you know of even a single person treated in the same way by Robertson the way Muhammed treated his enemies - by killing them - I'd like to know!
See also this one: Muhammed's killing of the Meccan Ten
As Muhammad grew in power, he began to use violence to obtain his desires. He ordered the murder of many people. He himself did not go out and commit the murders; he had men who were willing to do his killing for him. This paper deals only with the people Muhammad ordered to be executed (murdered) after Mecca peacefully surrendered to him. During his lifetime, he had a number of people murdered, but in this paper we will examine the 10 people he ordered to be killed the day he took Mecca. He had marched upon Mecca with an army of 10,000 soldiers. These men were tough, dedicated Muslims. The Meccan leaders did not think they could defeat Muhammad's army, so they surrendered to him. Muhammad did not destroy Mecca, or massacre it's inhabitants, but he remembered some of his personal enemies, and ordered their execution. As you will see, Muhammad hated some of these people only because they had mocked him years earlier.
Muhammed kills a Jew who is harmless but voiced opposition to him
In Yathrib, Muhammad began to experience opposition by the Jewish tribes living nearby. For the most part, they rejected his message and Islam. The Jews had several treaties with Muhammad, but that did not mean they were on good terms. One of the Jews, Ka`b bin al-Ashraf, vocally supported the Meccans (Quraysh) against Muhammad. He let it be known that he believed that Muhammad was a phoney, not a prophet at all. Note that I provide a lot of detail; I want to quote the references in full, to provide the proper context. I also quote the sources as they are written in English. Some of the words are arcane, but I want to present the words as they have been translated into English. Ka`b was a Jew. He hated Muhammad. Ka`b never lifted a weapon against Muhammad or any Muslim, he only voiced his opinion against Muhammad, and made up some unsavory poems about Muslim women. Muhammad saw him as a threat, and therefore had him murdered in the night. The Jews around Medina were not under Muhammad's rule; they had only entered into a treaty with the muslims. Muhammad did not have legal right to murder Ka`b, rather he took it upon himself to rid himself of a man who hated him.
I'm not sure what the time it took to write the Koran has to do with whether it's valid or accurate, but...surely the New Testament mentions the Old, and nobody appears to take that as a reason to think Christianity is "strictly a theft of Jewish theology."
Do you mean as opposed to a real false religion?
I think he means their "religion" is both fake and false.
But I think you knew that, and were only interested in sharpshooting.
Bush is right ... for all its flaws as a religion, remember that the real enemy is an enemy with a POLITICAL PROGRAM.
islam is the enemy and we will not win till we admit it
actually, by making the enemy Islamic terrorist *extremism* we save ourselves from taking on too big a task and also geting support that we wouldnt otherwise get ... remember our beef is not with tthe yemenis or algerians or whomever just because they believe some stuff, its how their beliefs shape ACTIONS AGAINST US ... Let is FIRST get rid of the extremists ... deprogramming and modernizing the Muslim mindset will take generations, let us first defang and neutralize its most toxic elements. The rest will fall into place (free markets, free speech and decent education and in 2 generations it might be up to speed on the truth of things -- dont expect it any sooner!).
JMHO.
My gripe with FOX, and most of the media, is not showcasing more of the real diversity in the Islamic world. Much of that diversity can be found in this country among refugees who have fled repressive Islamic regimes, and/or the terror and chaos caused by intollerant, death-worshiping, hyper-puritanical Islamists, abroad. Instead we get a parade of CAIR type mono-culture Muslims. Even when the media portrays these arrogant Arabist Muslims unfavorably, they are still conspiring with their aim of smothering diversity, dissent and reform within Islam, and establishing their narrow, conformist version of Islam as a percieved (and, eventually an actual) norm.
Can't disagree with that. But the point is that, in America, criticism of religion, any religion, is protected speech (as is religious advocacy). I might also add that such speech is part of a larger context of critical rationalism which has made both Christianity and Judaism reformist religions, and which has tended moderate and civilize the more extreme elements of these religions.
The wahhabi lobby needs to come to terms with the implications of religious freedom in America. To the extent they attempt to shield Islam from its critics (external and internal, btw) they are at odds with a fundamental American/Western/liberal value.
Make no mistake, it is not only non-Muslim critics they target and wish to silence:
How CAIR Put My Life in Peril [Moderate Muslim Khalid Duran Attacked by Wahhabi Lobby]
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