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To: Ahban
Islam really isn't a rip off of Judiasm. The only thing even remotely close to it is the concept of monotheism.

It has pagan origins [allah is the arabic name for 1 god, who was the greatest of the 365 gods of arabian paganism. Original name is il-Ilahi and he was the god of war, spear, and arrow], but theologically it is a heresy of Catholicism.

20 posted on 09/19/2002 7:29:54 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
What do you mean it's not a rip off of the Torah? I would think changing the heir of promise from Isaac to Ishmael is very much a rip off and turning the word of God to a lie.
27 posted on 09/19/2002 7:41:06 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: JMJ333
Islam really isn't a rip off of Judiasm.

Where did the Quaran come from? I've heard it claimed that it was written for mohammed by a jewish rabbi hired for the purpose (don't know if this is true or not, but no one ever sems to challenge the idea). It seems like it is recent enough in history that its' origins should be documentable.

48 posted on 09/19/2002 8:01:31 PM PDT by templar
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To: JMJ333

Robertson is (mostly) right: Read Surah 9:5-29 for the "bloodthirsty parts of Quran.

Muhammed was a warlord (dunno about "fanatic") who killed his enemies in battles, raided caravans for loot, and used religion to cement his leadership of his followers in Medina. He claimed to have visions where the Angel gabriel told him what to do, etc. sometimes these things were rather selfish in nature "hey, i can marry a 9-year old now". In any case, calling Islam about "peace" when its Prophet lived by the sword and was a political leader is a sick joke IMHO.

See this web site for more on challenging Islam: Answering Islam

Robertson is mostly right, but of course as fundamentalist Christian he does need to be a tad careful of 'casting stones'. bravo to FoxNews for letting this get out there though! Much more honest appraisal of Islam than we get from the PC crowd!!

And he may be right that many Muslims doent even know their own religion. Certainly the "real Muhammed" is someone obscured by history and asking the question can get you in serious trouble in the Islamic world.

Islam really isn't a rip off of Judiasm. The only thing even remotely close to it is the concept of monotheism. It has pagan origins [allah is the arabic name for 1 god, who was the greatest of the 365 gods of arabian paganism. Original name is il-Ilahi and he was the god of war, spear, and arrow], but theologically it is a heresy of Catholicism.

This is not true about Islam not being tied to Judiasm. In fact, Muhammed ripped off *all* the religions in the area, but there is greater sources from later Talmudic (Jewish) sources than anywhere else.. btw, "heresy of Catholicism" doesnt even make sense, the Christians of the region were of Syriac origin, (monphysites) even different from the orthodox Christians centered around Rome and Byzantium - the current Syrian church is neither Greek Orthodox nor Catholic btw ... as for the Quran Muhammed borrowed from every religion in the area, and sure mucked up tthe stories in most of them - from having Abraham come out of "fire" to having Jesus somehow elude getting nailed to the cross(!!!) - most christians would find the Jesus of the Quran a laughable charicature and barely recognizable.

This is according to Prof. Tisdall: Sources of the Quran

Chapter 3: " We now turn to the Jews from whom Muhammad borrowed so very much that his religion might almost be described as a heretical form of later Judaism. In Muhammad's time the Jews were not only very numerous but also very powerful in various parts of Arabia. No doubt many of them had settled in that country at different times, when fleeing from the various conquerors - Nebuchadnezzar, the successors of Alexander the Great, Pompey. Titus, Hadrian, and others who had overrun and desolated Palestine. They were especially numerous in the neighbourhood of Medina, which city they at one time held by the sword. Muhammad's time the three large Jewish tribes called Banu Quraiddhah, Banu Nadhir, and Banu Qainuqa', settled in the neighbourhood of Medina, were so powerful that Muhammad, not long after his arrival there ~n A.D. 622, made an offensive and defensive alliance with them. "

65 posted on 09/19/2002 8:28:44 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: JMJ333
As Christianity is a heresy of Judaism
111 posted on 09/19/2002 10:47:19 PM PDT by Hard_Pill_To_Swallow
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To: JMJ333
Islam really isn't a rip off of Judiasm.

It's where all the moneychangers went when Jesus chased them out of the Temple.

125 posted on 09/20/2002 3:55:23 AM PDT by Alouette
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