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US studies 'Iraqi chemical war plan'
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 09/21/2002 | Shyam Bhatia

Posted on 09/20/2002 4:44:04 PM PDT by Pokey78

US intelligence experts are examining a top secret document sent to Iraqi military commanders on Saddam Hussein’s orders that appears to confirm that they have a chemical arsenal and are prepared to use it.

The 23-page military order allegedly instructs local commanders that, in the event of the Iraqi regime facing defeat in a war, the officers are free to use their own initiative and unleash chemical weapons.

Signed by the head of the Iraqi Navy, it talks of preparations that must be made for a “chemical battle” between Iraqi and US forces. It also allegedly includes details of the radio-coded messages for the use of chemical weapons.

If intelligence specialists authenticate this document, it will provide evidence that can be shown to the United Nations of how Saddam Hussein has lied about stockpiling chemical weapons and his willingness to see his forces use them. US officials have not yet decided whether to include this document in the dossier they are preparing for President Bush to show Iraq’s continuing deception over its weapons of mass destruction.

Parliament is being recalled next week when Tony Blair will reveal to MPs what British Intelligence has discovered about Saddam’s chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. It is not known if this document has been passed to British experts for analysis.

Last night a senior US official in Washington said: “We are taking this very seriously.”

He confirmed to The Times that intelligence specialists were still investigating the document and what it revealed about Saddam’s chemical capabilities.

“We are studying the contents very carefully to see what it tells us about Saddam’s military contingency planning,” the source said.

The document was handed to the White House last month when Iraqi Opposition leaders were invited to Washington.

Dick Cheney, the Vice-President, took part in the meeting on a video link from his ranch and instructed senior officials to carefully examine the intercepted military order.

Senior officials from the State and Defence Department were present at these talks.

Reportedly sent in March, it details the five military zones inside Iraq and the circumstances in which military commanders of these areas will be free to use their initiative on using the chemical weapons they have at their disposal.

It is allegedly signed by Staff Lieutenant General Yahiya Taha Huwaish, the commander of the Iraqi Navy.

Below his signature is that of Chemical Lieutenant Colonel Qasim Hamoud Slayih, Staff Chemical Officer of the naval forces.

The Iraqis are careful in the communiqué not to talk about the specific chemical toxins they have in their arsenal. Experts say the reference to “preparations” and the use of the word battle rather than attack suggests Saddam could have been readying his chemical weapons for deployment as far back as March.

One of those who attended the White House meeting in August was Dr Hamid Bayati, London representative of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution.

He was a member of his group’s three-man team led by Abdul Aziz Hakim that was part of a large Iraqi Opposition delegation who briefed Dick Cheney. They included representatives from Dr Ahmed Chalabi’s Iraqi National Congress, Ayad Alawi’s Iraqi National Accord and the two Kurdish parties the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, led by Jalal Talebani, and the Kurdish Democratic Party, led by Masoud Barzani. Also present was Sharif Ali, head of the Iraqi Constitutional Monarchists group.

Dr Bayati said: “The document is marked top secret, then it says Navy Forces Command Training Department. It lists the military units this order should be distributed to.”

US officials will want to ensure the accuracy of the communiqué before using it to persuade sceptical members on the UN Security Council that it is reason not to trust Iraq over its apparent compliance with weapons inspectors.

Intelligence chiefs will also want to discover if this document provides any clues as to where these weapons might be found, which UN inspectors could then demand to visit.

Despite the efforts of UN inspectors from 1991 until they were expelled in December 1998, Saddam is believed to have secretly hidden his stores of deadly nerve gas, such as sarin and tabun, as well as mustard gas. According to Iraqi defectors, production of these three agents was resumed immediately after the expulsion of the inspectors.

What is most alarming is the addition of sufficient quantities of another and even more deadly nerve agent, VX.

“Saddam had about 250 tonnes of precursor chemicals to make VX and refused to hand them over to the UN inspectors,” said Dr Hussain Shahristani, a former chief scientific adviser to the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission who now heads the Iraqi Refugee Aid Council in London.


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To: Pokey78
Katie Couric and Tom Daschle want more proof. Scott Ritter is mystified (or drunk).
21 posted on 09/20/2002 8:38:56 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: rightwing2
I have many reasons to believe this time around in Iraq will not involve a conventional ground force.

I believe the 'theater' will be contaminated.

The US will do the heavy bombing of all military targets and strangle to country until its people do the job on Sodom.

Well, that's how I would like to see it done anyway.

22 posted on 09/20/2002 8:50:51 PM PDT by PFKEY
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I worry more about the WMD Saddam has already hidden in the USA, with directins to the caches to be given to terrorist sleepers in the event of his overthrow.
23 posted on 09/20/2002 8:56:09 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Pokey78
Does Iraq have a Navy?
24 posted on 09/20/2002 9:07:04 PM PDT by TheGunny
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To: Nick Danger
I would like to have more info on how this document came into our possesion , given the rumors of shaky support of the elites in Iraq may have inspired some officer in a headquarters to send a copy to someone outside the HQ as a way of insuring good treatment of same officer/family after the destruction of the Iraqi military
25 posted on 09/20/2002 9:48:42 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
Actually the U.S. policy is to reply with nuclear weapons i.e. the oficers in question won't hang they will simply register on gieger counters as they float around the upper reaches of the atmosphere for years to come as radioactive fallout
26 posted on 09/20/2002 9:53:51 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: Travis McGee
Seems as though freepers have forgotten that Sadam used chems in the First Gulf War.

Remember the Checz monitors going off?

Remember Gulf War Syndrome?

Remember how Powell,Schratzkopf and Cheny have been such wonderfull advocates for their sick soldiers?

But, not to worry!

All the above creeps will be safe in their bunkers when the retalitory stuff hits our homeland!
27 posted on 09/20/2002 11:45:48 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: Pokey78
"...in the event of the Iraqi regime facing defeat in a war, the officers are free to use their own initiative and unleash chemical weapons."

What officer would be so stupid? If your losing the war that means, um, that the enemy is winning. If you use chemical weapons on the winners they are going to hold you responsible.

28 posted on 09/21/2002 12:51:37 AM PDT by TheLooseThread
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To: Pokey78
I wonder who he plans to execute today for this?

You gotta love this psychological warfare. His commanders will be wondering what else we have :)

29 posted on 09/21/2002 1:59:28 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: Travis McGee
I worry more about the WMD Saddam has already hidden in the USA, with directins to the caches to be given to terrorist sleepers in the event of his overthrow.

Agreed. Our troops can be prepared for this contingency. Can Manhattan?

30 posted on 09/21/2002 7:27:47 AM PDT by Paul Ross
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To: TheGunny
Does Iraq have a Navy?

I was wondering the same thing.

31 posted on 09/21/2002 7:28:42 AM PDT by Paul Ross
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To: Lady In Blue
Snuff Saddam, NOW !!

Death To all Tyrant's !!

The Second Amendment...
America's Original Homeland Security !!

Molon Labe !!

32 posted on 09/21/2002 8:56:16 AM PDT by blackie
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33 posted on 09/21/2002 9:39:12 AM PDT by vannrox
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To: Lady In Blue
Sounds like disinformation to me. Designed to scare the US and weak allies off of invading. Is it likely that local commanders have WMD and the authority to use them without codes from Baghdad? With that paranoid in office?

Plus, you gotta figure the head of the Iraqi navy is a very important man. Three dinghys and a rowboat. What is he doing ordering the ground pounders around.

This one seems fishy.

34 posted on 09/21/2002 12:59:23 PM PDT by ffrancone
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To: Pokey78
He knows his chemicals won't kill our troops...but mostly his citizens, who he will enjoy leaving behind dead, and blaming us. He relies on his brothers in surrounding countries to take his revenge.

However, if we DO announce that chem/bio is a nuke in our eyes, and the only way to protect the world from it IS a nuke...

As for what's already in other countries...including here...I guess getting it over with and building from the rubble is best, rather than dying the Death of a Thousand Cuts, slowly...whenever they want to open a drum. We just can't afford to let people run around with this stuff, thinking they can get away with it. They must be made to know they are now international criminals, and will die along with their families and countries. They won't fear us if they don't fear us. It's a good day to start. They did and are treading on us all...so now we slither away...waiting for more...or bite, hard and brutally. If their countries are so unfortunate as to endure such criminality, and the world community so spineless and corrupt as to be their handmaidens...I guess those citizens....as were ours on 9-11...are marked for death. Can we really let tons of poisons spill out into our planet's atmosphere...because of political foolishness and worse....or do we INCINERATE the entire place the instant we detect poison? Better it burns on THEIR land, than anyone else's. Then it's just an international criminal matter. NO other country will ever dare to pull this shameful criminality again...if we remove a lot of those who do. As for our Euro friends...their disgraceful squabbles have cost us enough innocent blood to earn them our backs forever. Time to be a superpower, and clean house without permission. Daddy's home.

When you smoke out a snake...it wants to bite, and fight. Do we really want to wait for them, these criminals...to show us mercy? What's our option....a return to the 7th. century? Did we come here, and endure all this...for that? What deal are we being offered, other than enslavement or death? These people are idiots, now globally-dangerous and bloody idiots...and only death will prevent them. I hope their children survive. Their parents are excrement, and will be flushed, necessarily. It is the only way...and we didn't choose it. They lose.

Probably the main reason England is marginally with us again is that they are an island. Europe is still full of superior wisdom, isn't it. I keep reminding foreign people why we ignite explosives on the 4th. of July....we have had it with their ideas, failures, presence among us. It's a warning to them all. Don't pull your crap here.

35 posted on 09/21/2002 1:10:38 PM PDT by PoorMuttly
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To: Betty Jo
what are checz monitors and do you have any info on use of chemical weapons in 1991? I thought it definitely did not occur. Hasn't General Schwarzkopf testified so?
36 posted on 09/21/2002 10:29:21 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: Travis McGee
me too!
37 posted on 09/21/2002 10:29:51 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: bonesmccoy
"CZECH" monitors.

Why would I believe Swartzkopf?

I'm going to go google for some url's on chems used in Gulf 1.

There was a huge body of evidence divulged after the war ended.

It's all wrapped up in the Gulf Syndrome fiasco.
38 posted on 09/22/2002 9:20:03 AM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: bonesmccoy; Travis McGee
http://mediafilter.org/caq/Caq53.gws.html

Here's an article to use as a start.

39 posted on 09/22/2002 9:45:02 AM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: Paul Ross
Look what 5 grams of anthrax did last October, and imagine 100 kilos.
40 posted on 09/22/2002 2:42:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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