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Mother in Beating Surrenders

Posted on 09/21/2002 2:46:55 PM PDT by GnuHere

Showed up in an SUV in Indiana.


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KEYWORDS: childabuse
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Being reported on MSNBC.com
1 posted on 09/21/2002 2:46:55 PM PDT by GnuHere
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To: GnuHere
They showed the mom (using that term loosely here) getting out of the car, but I never saw the little girl. Do they have the 4 year old?
2 posted on 09/21/2002 2:50:15 PM PDT by Semper911
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To: GnuHere
bread and circus news for the masses.
3 posted on 09/21/2002 2:51:04 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Semper911
I thought I just heard Fox say they do, but I've not yet seen any video of her surrender.
4 posted on 09/21/2002 2:53:58 PM PDT by GnuHere
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To: Destro
bread and circus news for the masses.

Irrelevant comments for the brainless.

5 posted on 09/21/2002 2:54:15 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: GnuHere
It's the SUV I'm telling you...they are devil cars!!
6 posted on 09/21/2002 2:54:36 PM PDT by BriarBey
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To: RGSpincich; Catspaw; Poohbah
Here's another poor, downtrodden victim for Demidog and f.christian to champion.
7 posted on 09/21/2002 2:54:40 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: GnuHere
I thought I just heard Fox say they do,

That would be a big surprise.  I'm expecting
the child to be in hiding with relatives.

8 posted on 09/21/2002 2:55:30 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Larry Lucido
Watch and read as it happens.
9 posted on 09/21/2002 2:55:34 PM PDT by perfect stranger
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To: GnuHere
"Showed up in an SUV in Indiana."

Absolute proof of the dangers of the horrific SUV!

10 posted on 09/21/2002 2:55:51 PM PDT by lawdude
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To: gcruse
"I'm expecting the child to be in hiding with relatives."

Janet Reno has asked the DOJ to send the child to Cuba!

11 posted on 09/21/2002 2:56:57 PM PDT by lawdude
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To: perfect stranger
Watch and read as it happens.

I'm actually more interested in the activity at Arafat's compound, but will check back here once in a while. Just hoping the kid gets medical treatment as necessary.

12 posted on 09/21/2002 2:57:53 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: GnuHere
And I hope they have the right kid and that no switch was pulled.
13 posted on 09/21/2002 3:00:38 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: gcruse
I'm expecting the child to be in hiding with relatives.

In hiding long enough for the bruises to go away. This thing is sick.

14 posted on 09/21/2002 3:01:29 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: Larry Lucido
Poor commentary on your part. Is my comment brainless or the reader of my comment brainless or are those who are following this story with bated breath brainless?
15 posted on 09/21/2002 3:02:11 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro
Why click on the story, then, since you are insinuating everyone interested in it must be a brainless tabloid worshipper??
16 posted on 09/21/2002 3:07:59 PM PDT by GnuHere
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To: EggsAckley
In hiding long enough for the bruises to go away. This thing is sick.

The mother's only chance of keeping her kids is if she already took the kid to a private doctor and had her examined. If that is not done before the CPS gestapo gets their hands on her, there will be no refuting their version. She loses the kid and siblings for sure.

Maybe those of us who know how CPS works should organize a boycott of Kohl's to teach them to mind their own business.

Child Protective Services (CPS) is one of the most lawless of government agencies. The Fed's give bounties to the local county for each kid they remove from its family and they respond to the incentive.

17 posted on 09/21/2002 3:10:26 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom
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To: GnuHere
So I can insinuate everyone interested in this story must be a brainless tabloid worshipper.
18 posted on 09/21/2002 3:14:30 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Mike4Freedom

Let's hope they keep this woman locked up, if she makes bail, hopefully they will investigate the trail of the funds used to bail this worthless piece of trash.

And,as for Kohl's, lets show our appreciation by shopping evey opportunity we can with this chain.

Now, I don't know what log you crawled out of, hopefully you will slither back.
19 posted on 09/21/2002 3:21:16 PM PDT by fabriclady
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To: Mike4Freedom; Poohbah; Illbay; Catspaw
Maybe those of us who know how CPS works should organize a boycott of Kohl's to teach them to mind their own business.

And those of us who know how children are used as punching bags should organize a vigilante group to teach those parents some boundries.

20 posted on 09/21/2002 3:24:35 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: fabriclady
Now, I don't know what log you crawled out of, hopefully you will slither back.

Sorry about your prejudices, I just know how the CPS Gestapo works. If you study their methods and results, you will be outraged at them much more than a mother that hits her kid. The damage they do is much more profound and long lasting.

Know before you criticize.

21 posted on 09/21/2002 3:27:05 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom
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To: Mike4Freedom
Maybe those of us who know how CPS works should organize a boycott of Kohl's to teach them to mind their own business.

Gimme a break! Everyone in the country has seen that horrendous beating and everyone (with the exception of you) thinks that the child is in serious danger. Whatever issues you have with CPS should not detract from Kohl's acting as good citizens.

22 posted on 09/21/2002 3:29:37 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Mike4Freedom

My remarks stand as stated.
23 posted on 09/21/2002 3:36:08 PM PDT by fabriclady
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To: Mike4Freedom
Currently the Libertarian candidate for the 17th house seat covering part of Lenexa and Shawnee.

Your campaign should include your support of this mother's rights. Your not gonna win anyway, you might as well get a little attention. No doubt, by supporting this shrew you will receive attention.

24 posted on 09/21/2002 3:37:55 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Whatever issues you have with CPS should not detract from Kohl's acting as good citizens.

They thought they were doing good, just like that lady in the Shonee's in Georgia but they and she did not know what they were starting. All good citizens better learn that making a report to CPS is like lighting a fuse to a bomb that you will not be able to stop.

They are maniacs who never heard the phrase "due process".

25 posted on 09/21/2002 3:38:41 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom
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To: Mike4Freedom
So you're saying that just because CPS may step over the bounds on occasion, then just get rid of it and let kids fend for themselves. EVERY CPS case is phony to you, NO kids are being injured...........hmmmmmmmmm...

If that's what being Libertarian means, no thanks.

26 posted on 09/21/2002 3:40:40 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: Mike4Freedom
There's a monster living under your bed, whispering in your head.
27 posted on 09/21/2002 3:41:48 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: KingKongCobra
LOL!
28 posted on 09/21/2002 3:42:27 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: Mike4Freedom
GRANTED THE CHILD SERVICES NEEDS SOME WORK BUT FACE THE FACTS,THAT MOM NEEDS TO BE EXTERMINATED.
29 posted on 09/21/2002 3:44:10 PM PDT by shotspider
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To: EggsAckley
Hey now, hey now.
30 posted on 09/21/2002 3:44:13 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: RGSpincich
The platform of the Kansas Libertarian Party includes an effort to get CPS under control. We want no kid taken from its parent without full due process including a jury trial.

You fellows are just not thinking this through very well. Let us see how you will feel if your kids or grandkids are taken by CPS for frivilous reasons and you go broke fighting to get the kids back from a system that holds all the cards.

Do not let the details of a single case warp your standards of right and wrong.

31 posted on 09/21/2002 3:44:36 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom
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To: Mike4Freedom
They are maniacs...

As a child, did you ever take a blow to the head with some adult's clenched fist?

32 posted on 09/21/2002 3:45:33 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: GnuHere
the woman dressed in the red tank top is not the woman who was on the tape.....this one is shorter and fater with darker hair
33 posted on 09/21/2002 3:47:45 PM PDT by The Wizard
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To: EggsAckley
In hiding long enough for the bruises to go away. This thing is sick.

Here's my take on it - the "defense" is going to be that Mom was swatting at two dogs (unseen in the car from that angle, of course) who were nipping at her precious little girl. You see, "mom" was actually being a hero, not a villain....don't you see that?

Brief to be filed by attorney "Rocket" Rosen

34 posted on 09/21/2002 3:47:57 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: Mike4Freedom
I have to say that I don't really know what transpired in that parking lot just from looking at a video tape. The mother may or may not be a child abuser. However, I have to agree with you on many levels.

If you believe that the government, state, federal, or otherwise, has the power to remove child from natural parent, then anything else you claim to believe as an supposed individualistic, non-intrusive government "conservative" is meaningless. If this mother is guilty of aggravated assault, then arrest her and charge her with aggravated assault. If she is convicted, then she should go to prison, and the child goes into the sole custody of the father or next of kin, aka closest living relative. If the mom is found not guilty, then she is not guilty, and she goes home with her daughter. At NO TIME should a child be in the custody of a government agency. Government has not been delegated that authority by the people.

35 posted on 09/21/2002 3:48:43 PM PDT by southern rock
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To: EggsAckley
that just because CPS may step over the bounds on occasion

The concept of the rule of law is that rules that apply for every legal action (due process) prevent overstepping the bounds. Even one case of overstepping the bounds demonstrates that the rules are not truly in place and all cases are in doubt. That means-how do I know anyone is guilty when there are no standards for guilt.

Until due process is firmly in place, they are a lawless and rogue agency to be avoided at all costs.

36 posted on 09/21/2002 3:49:49 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom
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"Rocket" Rosen

Saw him on the news the other night. He spent at least two or three minutes "explaining" his name. What an ambulance chaser!

37 posted on 09/21/2002 3:49:58 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: Mike4Freedom
Live in your utopian la-la world if you chose, just don't thrust thrust it upon me. You Libertarians seem to want nothing other than to deconstruct our government, and then hope it can just run itself. Well, it can't. And do you know why? Because there are too many self-serving, stupid people who think their opinions are the right way. All you would accomplish is chaos.

If it's broken, then set about the task of fixing it, not just sitting around and complaining that it's broken.

38 posted on 09/21/2002 3:56:05 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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"Rocket" Rosen

The quote from his appearance that made me want to hurl: "These things happen."

...ambulance chaser

Yes, I was wondering how he possibly became involved in this case. I have a feeling he has defended members of this clan before. And he knows they can easily pay his fee. It's free money to him.

39 posted on 09/21/2002 3:56:13 PM PDT by Semper911
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To: Mike4Freedom
Know before you criticize.

The sister was arrested for failing to report child abuse.
You, on the other hand, want a boycott of Kohl's for
reporting child abuse.  Do you see anything wrong
with your statement yet?

40 posted on 09/21/2002 3:58:08 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Mike4Freedom
Ummm...every state has its own version of CPS--so there are 50 different agencies, not just one, each with its own set of regulations. You speak of them as if they are one.
41 posted on 09/21/2002 3:59:06 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: EggsAckley
If it's broken, then set about the task of fixing it, not just sitting around and complaining that it's broken.

I am trying to fix it. I am running for a state legislative seat and, in this regard, my goal is to force the CPS to obey the due process clause of the constitution. In fact most problems that we Libertarians have with government comes from the government disobeying the founding document.

If the Bill of Rights were not being ignored, we would have nothing to complain about and could retire from politics. That is the way that it was supposed to be in this nation.

42 posted on 09/21/2002 4:00:35 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom
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To: Mike4Freedom
I just know how the CPS Gestapo works. If you study their methods and results, you will be outraged at them much more than a mother that hits her kid. The damage they do is much more profound and long lasting.

Rhetorical excess, and I speak as a fellow Libertarian. From what we all saw on tape, it's obviously at there are grounds for police action in finding out how this particular child was treated, and to make sure that the child presented in today's surrender was the same child we saw being shaken like a rag doll.

The B* threw a tantrum, and we're all hoping that some little girl has not paid the ultimate price for her mother's sins.

43 posted on 09/21/2002 4:01:50 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: wimpycat
You speak of them as if they are one.

They are not all equally bad. Some states have a particularly bad reputation. They all live under the same basic rules, they ignore due process to a greater or lesser extent and they all receive cash bonuses for removing kids from families paid for by the Federal government with your tax dollars.

44 posted on 09/21/2002 4:03:18 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom
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To: GnuHere
Now if she had just killed the child, instead of beating her sensless, perhaps there wouldn't be such an uproar!
45 posted on 09/21/2002 4:04:57 PM PDT by BlessingInDisguise
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To: Mike4Freedom
Proof?
46 posted on 09/21/2002 4:04:58 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: Mike4Freedom
Well then, go for it. Win the seat if you can, and make the changes. But until then, the only agency that CAN protect children is CPS.

Word of advice: your statement about boycotting Kohl's is JUST the kind of rhetoric to keep you from being elected. Sure, it may tickle the handful of Libertarians who vote, but you'll still lose. Then you can't "fix" anything. Remember, words mean something, and once they've been said, it's impossible to get them back.

47 posted on 09/21/2002 4:05:02 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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Word of advice: your statement about boycotting Kohl's is JUST
the kind of rhetoric to keep you from being elected. Sure, it
may tickle the handful of Libertarians who vote, but you'll still lose.

I am a libertarian, and the boycott Kohl statement is outrageous.

48 posted on 09/21/2002 4:07:12 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Mike4Freedom
Do not let the details of a single case warp your standards of right and wrong.

You are making this a CPS issue. This is no frivilous case, no systematic starving of kids to prove or anything of the sort. This is a questionable merchandise transaction turn felony child abuse with eyewitnesses. I don't care who takes her kids away from her and places them in a safe environment. Just do it! She needs to be dealt with severely, if it's CPS who does it, so be it.

Don't think patrons in the parking lot who witnessed the beating and have seen the tape will not come forward.

BTW the child is with Dad not the CPS. Mom in custody.

49 posted on 09/21/2002 4:08:05 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Mike4Freedom
I don't think Kohls reported this to CPS; they reported it to law enforcement -- which is what I would have done.

30 years ago I saw a mom in the apartment building laundromat scream, swear, and repeatedly hit her 2 year old boy who needed to use the potty. He was jumping up and down, holding his crotch and weeping.

I was folding my clothes, and my apartment was right around the corner. I have been kicking myself all these years that I did not step in and offer to take that child to my apartment to use the bathroom. I just stood there with my mouth open. I'll never forgive myself for that. The folks at Kohls did the right thing.

50 posted on 09/21/2002 4:08:45 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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