Mother in Beating Surrenders

[wardaddy]

With all due respect....something you appear to have lost grasp of in your zeal, I have no idea what you are talking about and I'm not cheering anyone on.

Having reviewed your posts today to this thread and the pot thread i would have said that I'm about 80-90% with you but apparently you misunderstood something in my two latetst posts to this thread referring to the vitriol from both sides and nudging .30 carbine about being "busy" that you did not like.

If you wish to insult me and engage me in a flame then by all means try to be more specific...if possible.

[wardaddy]

Btw...what's skeezix?...is that some lingo that only "true conservatives" can translate?

[Kevin Curry]

You yourself can't stand words of censure, but you can tolerate an actual child beating.

You are profoundly sick. I hope you succeed in getting me banned or even suspended. If that should happen, I will leave and never return to FR. That too is an iron-clad promise.

I will gladly submit to being banned for standing up for the right a defenseless child to kept safe from brutality.

You may continue to wallow majestically in the anti-government manure that has been piling up here for some time. Enjoy the short sour noisesome pleasure. You've earned it.

[Cultural Jihad]

You have it all wrong. Self-avowed ideologues are personally against evil deeds you see, but will fight to their last breath for anyone's 'right' to do them. They purport to be against corruption in government but actively applaud the corruption in people.

[Kevin Curry]

but actively applaud the corruption in people.

And the viciousness as well, as long as it is directed agaisnt the weakest and most innocent.

This isn't conservatism. This is rank evil, pure insanity.

[sneakypete]

Which raises the question, do these "Travelers" understand DNA testing?

Maybe I don't understand it? I'm under the impression that a sister,half-sister,or even a cousin would have DNA similiar enough to the mother to "pass". After all,they are not lookuing for a exact match to the child because they have no DNA record for her. They would only be looking for a relative to the mother. Am I wrong? These Travelers don't seem to be big believers in birth control or small families,so there should be somebody around who could "pass" if I'm right.

[wardaddy]

Oh no...opus time eh?

I'm still waiting slanderer.

Should they boot your wolf ticket selling and preening ass, we would all be best served. You need to cool off. Insulting me when I did nothing to prod you on. What the hell is your problem son?

Are you suffering from the delusions you always accuse the dopers of?

And you and CJ know damn well I'm not one of them.

You seem to have taken leave of your senses....seriously.

[NYCVirago]

Bump for later reading...

[Cultural Jihad]

Alas, I myself make mistakes on occasion, wardaddy. Indeed you are not one of the many loons who are squatting in FR. I reviewed your posts on this thread and I see you held a neutral, non-judgmental stance early on, which might be what colored the perceptions of others. While we must be non-judgmental regarding the state of another person's grace, one cannot be non-judgmental when it comes to evil behaviors. No one was seriously asking that the woman be publicly crucified, just that what they saw with their eyes made them recoil in horror and anguish, and the desire to lash out is a natural reaction to cruelty. To allow such calloused cruelty would infringe on the rights of others to pursue happiness, knowing that such cruelty would be allowed with impunity. That is why jurors willingly place their lives on hold to sit in judgment of another's deeds. Perhaps a sociologist can be all detached as he or she comments on a cannibal's society. We might have a scientific interest in their religion, their way of life, their lores and tales and social structures. But that same detachment does not follow through when one is looking at one's own society.

[hosepipe]

The lawyer said, not a mark on the kid... Probably just a spanking...SPANKING!....Ugh! oh!... I've done it now.

What happens to spoiled children?.... They grow up to be spoiled adults, that some man or woman marries and then has to deal with a whole world of problems.
Solution: When the brat throws a hissy fit in the local Wal-Mart... Spank them when you get to the car, instead of in the Wal-Mart some democrat could be waiting to commit a lawsuit. Course some icehole could be waiting in the parking lot with a video camera.
Then when you go to Wal-Mart again and you say stop that. They will. Course some kids will require several treatments. Course actually hurting the kid instead of makeing them think they were hurt is not a good idea. In that case who knows you could be createing a Bill Clinton.. who was obviously spoiled, so was the Hillery "the Red" Clinton.

[wardaddy]

CJ, I'm not detached by any means but I'm late to this particular thread and I do indeed lament the tone. I suppose it was inevitable. I wish folks would get so fired up about the Islamists. I appreciate your words.

Below is my reply for Kevin which I have btw toned down after reading your post.

Regards.

Kevin,

OK , I'm going to bed.

You mark the first time a Freeper has called me out with no explanantion and then run off and hid. Fair enough.

I've never crossed swords with you before mainly because i don't live on the Libertarin or WOD threads like you do even though I share your views for the most part on those issues.

However, given your behavior directed towards me tonight with no reasoning given, I will remember you to be sure.

If you have a problem with me lamenting the utter lack of decorum exhibited by both sides on this thread then that is your problem and it is your right to address that ..preferably rationally.

I never even stated my position but I will now.

I think spanking (not whipping, slapping or much less punching)) unruly children in private is appropriate and the parent's business.

I have not seen the TV reels but given what my mother and wife who both also believe in spanking have related to me I would surmise the woman is probably guilty of beating her child and deserves to be called into account for it.

The computer feeds I have seen also lead me to believe she was way over the top and hysterical even though I personally could not make out the punching but I'll take my mother and wife's word on it.

I also think the woman and her tribes' personal history plays a part in all this and is relevant.

I do have qualms about CPS folks but think there is no other choice for now in this case.

I do not however think this case rises to the level of national hysteria that it has and that is quite apparent to me on this forum and this thread and by your own irrationality in particular.

Those are my views at the moment till I know more. Now you have something to go on and please feel free to flame away with a bit more substance if possible. You can do better than simply hurl invectives and retreat.

I am the parent of 3 and 8/9ths children. My girls were a breeze. My young manchild is as defiant as they come.

Good Night Sir!

[Cultural Jihad]

While this woman might indeed be guilty of horrific abuse, the vast majority of Muslims are perfectly innocence of committing or excusing any evil deeds. Yet they receive a heap of scorn daily from many here, and with impunity.

[wardaddy]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this "Islamist" issue. Yep, I'm sure there are a fair number of peaceful Islam practitioners but I feel from an historical perspective that we have been on a collision course with them for about 1300 years or so and history is littered with the evidence. For me this is simply another phase in a millineum plus old struggle. I regret their innocents and ours caught up in this but so be it. Better theirs than ours. Nearly all their rulers are despots and most of their mullahs are openly hostile to Judeo-Christianity and have been for the most part since that religion was first founded by the sword by a man who married a 9 year old while we're on children for the moment.

I hope some of the less vitriolic and secular Islamic nation entities will see the error in their ways but the militants will always be with us to varying degrees. Meanwhile, our mostly apostate Christian churches handwring about being "nice" as if that's all that matters anymore.


You are correct that FR is not suffering from a lack of resolve against the Islamist terrs but our country and some of our leaders and nearly all our "allies" are. That is what I regret.


Now, you already knew but have instant proof that I'm anything but non-judgmental. And I almost loathe the self derived morality crowd and the hard drug legalizers as much as you.

Regards....you can ping me for in the morning but I am not going to flame with you over this war issue. I will respect your right to disagree and hold you in no less regard.

[KingKongCobra]

I hate to butt in; however, you and Kevin should make up. He misunderstood you when you told .30 he'd been "busy". Kevin had been jousting with .30 a long time and thought you were cheering .30 on. It was a heated day.
The two of you have the same opinion of this case so bury the hatchet.

[NYCVirago]

The platform of the Kansas Libertarian Party includes an effort to get CPS under control. We want no kid taken from its parent without full due process including a jury trial.

Okay, so let's say a little girl is being raped and beaten by her father. You want her to stay with her father until the trial is over, even though she'll have to testify against him? Pedophiles will love this change in the law!

[catonsville]

Did you really watch the tape? This woman was beating the hell out of her 4 year old daughter.

What is so surprising is that there are people like you who do not see this. This is a little kid, so young she does not yet go to school and her mother who outweighs her by at leaat 100 pounds, is pummeling, slapping and violently shaking her.

"but there are no bruises, you say." I don't give a damn if there are bruises or not ( and you know you can hurt someone badly without bruising them) I saw a small child, who would never deserve such hurt being beaten badly by a mother who does not deserve such a daughter.

And I know if this mother is not stopped in some way, through anger management, close supervison or putting the girl in a better home, it will be much worse next time.

I do not want ths child killed or maimed so badly, through no fault of her own, there there is no life in her or for her.

Are you so angry at the government that you just can not see that?

[johnny7]

Yea... I watched it. I wouldn't beat a dog like that.

[alnick]

I was very relieved to learn that the child apparently suffered no permanent or serious injuries due to her beating.

I'm perplexed that you seem to think that this is some kind of contest between people who had a normal reaction to witnessing a mother administer a brutal beating to a very young child and a few people who were able to excuse the mother but are outraged that a department store has a security camera, or whatever other nonsense they're griping about.

[dighton]

Maybe I don't understand it? I'm under the impression that a sister,half-sister,or even a cousin would have DNA similiar enough to the mother to "pass".

It looks like you do understand it. If she tried to pass off an unrelated girl who looks like the one in Kohl's videotape, DNA testing would catch it. If, as you suggested, she tried passing off a sister's kid or something like that, perhaps it wouldn't.

I'm pinging a few FReepers who (unlike me) have some real knowledge of genetics.

-- dighton, caught way the hell out of his depth.

[alnick]

And I don't recall posting any comments from FReepers who thought it was okay for a mom to 'beat the hell out of her kid,' only comments from FReepers who thought it was okay to beat the hell out of a mother who is accused of beating the hell out of her kids.

You posted at least one comment from me. You will not find any comments from me claiming that it's "okay to beat the hell out of a mother who is accused of beating the hell out of her kids."