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Black hole theory suggests light is slowing (down)!
New Scientist ^ | 13:27 08 August 02 | NewScientist.com news service

Posted on 09/23/2002 9:27:50 AM PDT by vannrox

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To: Physicist; RadioAstronomer
Speed-of-light ping.
61 posted on 09/24/2002 8:07:45 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian
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To: aristeides
doesn't that mean that the speed of light also varies from one place to another?

Among some assumptions on the structure of the universe is that it is the same everywhere. If it turns out otherwise, then our theories will be complicated much more.

62 posted on 09/24/2002 9:21:59 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: theprogrammer
A simple statement of the second "law" says "it is impossible for an unaided self-acting machine to convey heat from one body to another at higher temperature". Another might be that within a closed system, randomness always increases - things fall apart. Since we also believe that energy can neither be created nor destroyed in a closed system (first law), the only change we admit in a closed system is in the orderliness of the constituents.

It is a proximate empirical observation of a phenomenon. At the quantum level, it is violated all the time. It must be violated at thermal equilibrium as well (unless at absolute 0, which would violate the third law) - so it is a statistical phenomenon seen in bound systems when regarded at a certain scale.

As an observational phenomenon, a system's degree of order or randomness is subjective. A new deck of cards is ordered. After shuffling, it becomes disordered - it is highly unlikely that the deck of cards will ever become ordered as originally after any number of shuffles. But the idea that one arrangement of the cards is peculiar is subjective, all sequences are as likely, we just think that some are unusual.

The second "law" summarizes a practical observation, and gets us to looking for an external energy source when an otherwise closed system seems to increase its order. It is useful when we want to make a reservoir for energy or extract energy from a system. (We can use clumsy methods). But have you seen a formula relating energy to the degree of order in a system? I haven't.

What about self-organizing system? Complex systems seem to form ordered structures all the time, without consuming energy. One might describe these phenomena as eddies in the entropy flow, I suppose, but it is hardly conclusive. Just because we are able to discern organization in a constrained system, I am not convinced that it means that it is energetically different from any other arrangement of its constituents.

63 posted on 09/28/2002 9:11:13 AM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: humblegunner
Light does indeed travel at different speeds.

I see a green light much sooner than the dim-bulb on the cell phone in front of me. However, sound has remained a constant in that my car’s horn can speed the green light signal up such that they can see it. If the horn thing doesn't work then the physical, anti-inertial assault from my bumper to theirs will speed it as well.


Stay safe; stay armed.


PS: I think that the author is full of crap. I cannot see a mechanism that can slow light's speed except for a physical barrier. Black holes can refract light, bend light and even alter its course by 180 degrees, but not slow it down. However, I am almost always wrong!!!

64 posted on 09/28/2002 9:49:11 AM PDT by Eaker
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To: theprogrammer
Are you trying to say that the more scientists believe in something, the more likely it is to be wrong.

The more promising the reason for rethinking a sacred premise in the light of additional experience.

Science is a human pursuit--and its course is more determined by the culture of the society in which it is pursued than by anything else.

In the laws of thermodynamics, we have a foundation for Western science--an entire system that would be invalidated were those laws seen as erroneous.

Entire careers depend on protecting the sanctity of those laws.

So there is reason to believe that those laws may not be challenged often enough or objectively enough.

Fertile ground for the iconoclast.

65 posted on 09/30/2002 9:20:11 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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