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SCHOOL FORCED BOY ONTO PSYCHO RX: SUIT
New York Post ^ | 9/24/02 | DOUGLAS MONTERO

Posted on 09/24/2002 12:12:48 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:08:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Xenon481
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41 posted on 09/24/2002 8:05:54 AM PDT by sparkydragon
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
As someone who worked in that arena you did the right thing by covering your bases and making the right decision. No need for a tongue lashing from anyone in that regard.
42 posted on 09/24/2002 8:07:29 AM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
I certainly didn't mean my earnest question to be a "tongue-lashing" in any way shape or form. I'm sorry if it read that way.

It was an expression of my horror that parents of a child could be forced to consult a modern ju-ju man in order to battle another section of the bureaucracy that wants to chemically lobotomize their child.

It is stories like yours that convince me that we need to stop "freeing" the peoples of Trashkanistan and Balubamistan and begin the humongous task of freeing ourselves.

43 posted on 09/24/2002 8:14:23 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: Al B.
You'll love #36, #37 & #39.
44 posted on 09/24/2002 8:16:06 AM PDT by a history buff
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
Because they will threaten to call CPS for abuse and neglect if you don't. And CPS will more than likely take the child away. Then the foster parents he is put with will drug him and CPS will use the fact that he "calmed down" as verification that his parents were purposefully neglecting his medical needs. And we all know that no one would be a foster parent if they weren't the epitome of every value you'd want instilled in your children, right? In Texas, this is illegal, but the State Board of Education felt it necessary to put out radio and tv ads to tell parents this because they knew that the school districs would not stop on their own. The sad fact of the matter is that, unless your child does go psychotic, there is not much you can do in many places to avoid it if the school is really that set on having its students drugged.
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"Freedom is not the natural state of man, merely the perfect one."
45 posted on 09/24/2002 8:22:52 AM PDT by sparkydragon
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To: estrogen
I'm not saying it's right, but when I was in Catholic schools we feared being hit with a ruler etc...we knew who was boss and we didn't have the problems schools have today.

As another Catholic elementary school graduate I'll say it for you. Corporal discipline is right. It's the only method that will work on some kids (and on most boys) and still let them be kids. Likewise you have to let the kids run and be competitive during recess. Dodge ball, tag etc. Games with winners and losers so the kids can work off their energy.

I lived in great fear of a particular priest who carried his metal yardstick "excalibur" with him. No one misbehaved when the father was in the building. The worst behavior case we had would be like the best student in the public schools.

God Save America (Please)

46 posted on 09/24/2002 8:28:58 AM PDT by John O
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To: demkicker
$75,000.00 ??? No where near enough.
$75 Million .. now that's closer. We have a least three
alleged 'doctors ' and one or two school administrators
playing doctor ... sounds like child abuse at best and practicing without a license ....
47 posted on 09/24/2002 8:29:53 AM PDT by Marobe
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To: Marie
ADD is a null diagnosis. Saying a child has ADD is like checking the "Other" box under race. You that person is not one of the listed races, but you do not know what race they are. What it means is that they are sure you have a behavior problem, but they cannot otherwise identify it. So, rather than admit their ignorance, the APA just lumped all their symptoms into one category and called it a diagnosis. If you go to www.nfgcc.org you will find that the symptom list for ADD and the "symptom" list for giftedness are very similar. But what educator wants to admit that the reason your child is having a hard time in school is because the school work is to stupid for him? Boys get diagnosed more often than girls because boys are more energetic as a rule and thus cause more disruption.


"Freedom is not the natural state of man, merely the perfect one."
48 posted on 09/24/2002 8:34:19 AM PDT by sparkydragon
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To: a history buff; LaBelleDameSansMerci
LOL. You're right, I did.

Kudos to LaBelleDameSansMerci.

49 posted on 09/24/2002 8:41:42 AM PDT by Al B.
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To: ladylib
These so called "educators" brought this all on themselves. They wonder why kids can't learn.

Teachers know that these methods don't work and can't understand why they're being promulgated. They don't understand that mass, government schooling was intended to diminish or destroy the ability of children to think for themselves in order that a utopian society might be realized. This "dream" paralleled the "dream" of the giants of industry (Carnegie, Rockefeller) of a compliant workforce. The two ideals have always worked hand-in-glove, and the current "School-to-Work" legislation mysteriously appearing across the country can be traced all the way back to the late 1800s. Gatto outlines all of this in his book.

50 posted on 09/24/2002 8:54:14 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Nick Danger
It's just going to come out of the taxpayer's pockets. There is unfortunately no good way to get at the individuals who did this. I would recommend going after the individual's involved, teacher's, principle's, & administrator's...Forcing drug's of any kind on any Free ( I use the term loosely) people's constitutes criminality. What would be the difference between this case and me showing up at Nick Dangers' residence and "forcing" you (or your kid's) to ingest drug "X"? Why are the doctor's that participated in this not being held criminally liable? Why is this not a criminal matter? Since this is being approached from a civil perspective, I think the Taxpayer's should get raped and raped and raped, until finally, we the taxpayer's get tired of being raped, and put a stop to the nonsense, once and for all. I just get tired of hearing how parent's are taking a backseat to decisions over their kid's, and the "school's" doing crap like this, and assume none of the responsibility. Are these people above assault law's? If they are, another reason.... Blackbird.
51 posted on 09/24/2002 9:09:04 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: Landru
"I want to prevent school districts from continuing these types of strong-arm tactics on parents," said Michael's mom

GO MOM!! The whole issue of ADHD is a crock of equine dung! Please note my discretion here as I generally turn into a ranting nut-case on this subject. I will do my best to remain calm.

How a teacher is in the position of ordering any kind of drug therapy for a child is beyond my comprehension. Fact of the matter is that ADHD is diagnosed almost exclusivley in the US. I'm not wearing my tinfoil hat right now, but isn't that interesting?

Some studies have already shown that kids who were on Ritalin are prone to become cocaine addicts as the drugs are chemically related. So much for the War on Drugs, eh?

Once worked with a lady with two sons. They forced her to put her oldest son on Ritalin--yes, they can force you-- even turn you over to DCFS. When the school wanted her younger son on Ritalin--she took him to a neurologist. Testing showed that the kid could have suffered major neurological damage had he taken Ritalin.

Parents need to start fighting back and soon!--unless they too want to drug their kid into a state of pacificity. Most of the kids on Ritalin are little boys--most little boys are very active pains in the butt--that does not make them ABNORMAL. In fact, that makes them very NORMAL!

God Bless their hyperactive little souls and protect them from the morons of this bureaucracy!!

52 posted on 09/24/2002 9:09:53 AM PDT by scholar
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Because they were threatened with negligence and abuse charges...no small thing when you consider that CPS is almost completely autonomous and answers to no one. They can pretty much do what they please when they decide they want your child.
53 posted on 09/24/2002 9:32:43 AM PDT by goodieD
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To: Marie
You are a GOOD mama!

I'm the daddy 8-)

54 posted on 09/24/2002 10:38:50 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: estrogen; Ronin
Agree...Why is it so hard for anyone to figure out the fact that Ritalin and drug use started just about the time that PC dictated we not discipline our children?

One other thing I've noticed: school violence

We've had guns in American homes since the first colonies. We've had troubled teens since the dawn of time. But it's only been in the last 10-15 years that we've gotten things like Columbine -- which is coincident with starting to drug kids to make them "easier to manage"

55 posted on 09/24/2002 10:47:00 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: scholar
Once worked with a lady with two sons. They forced her to put her oldest son on Ritalin--yes, they can force you-- even turn you over to DCFS. When the school wanted her younger son on Ritalin--she took him to a neurologist. Testing showed that the kid could have suffered major neurological damage had he taken Ritalin.

With our kid, they had my wife and I show up for a meeting with about 4 school employees (teacher, principal, nurse, forget who else). They said they wanted to make her "special ed" and wanted us to bring her to a doctor they used, but they needed our OK. I said "No". They gave me a form and an info pack (of about 60 pages of closely-typed regs and legalese) saying to please sign that I said "No".

My ears perked up on that. They would need for me to sign on a "Yes", but absence of permission should be enough for a "no". So I took that pack home and read every word closely (something they probably didn't expect me to do), while my wife called a friend who's a special-ed teacher. The friend confirmed that in all cases, when they want you to see a doc they recommend, it's to get a Ritalin prescription. And buried in those 60 pages was a clause which said that if the parents refused, the school could appeal the refusal to get OK to get her examined anyway (probably on school time and without advance parent knowledge). And in PA, once your kid is labeled special-ed, you have a hard time with home-schooling.

So the next morning I kept her home and handed in the paperwork notifying them that I was home-schooling her for this point on. I was NOT going to allow her to step back onto school property once the wheels were in motion

56 posted on 09/24/2002 11:03:30 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: John O
Corporal discipline works.

As long as it is administered fairly, according to clearly defined guidelines, and by level-headed individuals. And that's the catch.

57 posted on 09/24/2002 11:20:32 AM PDT by a history buff
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To: Ronin
I agree with you. Correct me if I'm wrong but I have heard that when these kids get older, they will not be eligible for the armed forces because they have been/or are on these types of meds.
58 posted on 09/24/2002 11:35:25 AM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: SauronOfMordor
I was NOT going to allow her to step back onto school property once the wheels were in motion

Hurray for you!! There are so many parents buying into this BS I am truly frightened for our youngsters. My kids are grown so it's not an issue for me personally, but it still concerns me a lot!

59 posted on 09/24/2002 11:56:24 AM PDT by scholar
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To: John O
As another Catholic elementary school graduate I'll say it for you. Corporal discipline is right. It's the only method that will work on some kids (and on most boys) and still let them be kids.

If children are going to be institutionalized for the crime of being children, then the only way to keep order is through corporal punishment.

But this begs the question, should children be institutionalized? In "modern" times, compulsory, universal education was first dreamed of by Rousseau, the proto-socialist who abandoned all five of his children at birth, turning them over to orphanages where premature death was more than likely. Contemplate that for a moment.

In fact, universal schooling for all intents and purposes had never existed until the mid 1800s anywhere in the world. Many Americans forcibly resisted compulsory schooling, burning down schools in many parts of the country. In Barnstable Massachusetts, at the turn of the century, the militia was called in to force children into the new government schools.

It breaks my heart that Catholics had to set up their own detention centers in order to keep Catholic children out of the government schools. Sadly and ironically, the contemporary popes decried these new institutions that were destructive to families and society. Nevertheless, Catholics had no choice but to create their own parallel institutions, the legacy of which is nuns rapping kids' knuckles.

60 posted on 09/24/2002 11:58:23 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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