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Testimony of parent whose son committed suicide [1 of 4] after attending the Ark. Gov.'s School
American Family Association of Arkansas ^ | 1992 | Shelvie Cole

Posted on 09/25/2002 11:51:24 AM PDT by Aquinasfan

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This may be old news to some of you here, but I didn't find anything after searching under "Governor's Schools" here.

The upshot of this is that the "Governor's School" described here is the educational dream school of both Bill and Hilary Clinton. This is what they and the educational elite have in mind for your children.

The Arkansas Governor's School was immortalized in the video "The Guiding Hand" the transcript of which is available here.

Please feel free to post other exerpts from the testimonies collected here.

1 posted on 09/25/2002 11:51:24 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
My daughter is being encouraged to apply for the Governors School here in Virginia. Now, I'm wondering what goes on in Virginia?
2 posted on 09/25/2002 12:00:18 PM PDT by EverOnward
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To: Aquinasfan
That is pretty freakin' bizarre, it sounds like something that would be run by associates of Pol Pot...
3 posted on 09/25/2002 12:00:51 PM PDT by Axenolith
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From Testimony 2:

I, personally, have experienced something similar to this as well. As any young person would, as soon as I arrived at Governor's School during the summer of 1983, I began to make friends. Because of the immediate attacks upon our religious beliefs, it was not long before I knew the religious faith of my friends, as well as some of their strong convictions. I had friends who were of many different religious backgrounds and some who professed no faith of any kind. Many of then in the first week had told me of their personal faith the God of the Bible, the authority of the written Old and New Testament, and their belief in life after death in either "heaven or hell". After approximately three weeks of anti-Christian propaganda, the majority of my friends had totally changed their whole moral system and world view. Those who had not totally converted to an atheistic, anti-Christian philosophy told me that they were no longer sure of their religious beliefs. I must say that for a few I questioned some of my beliefs as well. I honestly don’t know what you would call an attempt to change the value system of over three hundred children in three weeks, except brainwashing.

One incident has remained very clear in my mind because it was so upsetting to me. We had watched a movie of raw footage of Nazi concentration camps and the varied forms of torture and killing and uses of the Jews dead bodies that took place during War World II. The footage was horrific especially for me as a sixteen year old. Later that same day we were told to divide into groups at various locations in order to have group discussions led by an instructor. I was involved in a discussion that took place in the foyer of Rainey Hall led by an man who was not one of my regular teachers. He reminded us of the film we had viewed earlier in the day and asked the question, "If there is an all-loving God, why does He allow things like this to happen? I was the only child in the whole room who would stand up to this man. Before the discussion was over some of the students, who two weeks earlier had professed Christian beliefs, were in my face yelling that there was no god and there was no way there could be one. It is very clear that the curriculum of the program is intended to bring about these results. It is also maliciously discriminating against those who profess orthodox Jewish or orthodox Christian beliefs. It is also apparent that the instructor’s influence was causing students to persecute each other.

Sounds kinda Maoist to me. Gotta love those rascally Clintons. Gov. Bill Clinton said "it would be impossible for me to describe to you just how exciting & unusual this education adventure is." According to one student who attended the Governor's School, Hillary Clinton talked about converting the schools (public schools) into something similar to the Governor's School.

4 posted on 09/25/2002 12:01:02 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: EverOnward
My daughter is being encouraged to apply for the Governors School here in Virginia. Now, I'm wondering what goes on in Virginia?

They're all over the country. I typed in "Governor's School" and found respectable sounding math/technical schools. But I also saw personal horror stories from kids on their home pages. One was of the NC Governor's School.

Apparently they're run by the state board of ed. Be very wary. It wouldn't hurt to talk to alumni. Maybe you could ask for an alumni list?

5 posted on 09/25/2002 12:09:17 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
wholly crap! talk about re-education camps. cripes!
6 posted on 09/25/2002 12:15:41 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Texas_Jarhead
wholly crap! talk about re-education camps. cripes!

This bears repeating:

Gov. Bill Clinton said "it would be impossible for me to describe to you just how exciting & unusual this education adventure is." According to one student who attended the Governor's School, Hillary Clinton talked about converting the schools (public schools) into something similar to the Governor's School.

Look out New Yorkers! Apparently Bill is interested in becoming mayor.

7 posted on 09/25/2002 12:21:55 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
This presents a good picture of the future of all public schools. Cults.
8 posted on 09/25/2002 12:22:18 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: EverOnward
I would never trust my child to the care of liberal educators in a boarding situation unless I knew exactly what the curriculum involved. Sit in on all the classes that your child will taking and observe for yourself. Discuss homosexuality with the administration and make sure you are comfortable with it because it can be a big issue in boarding situations.

My daughter was invited to UCLA for a recruiting week-end and assigned to room with a girl who was openly homo-sexual. My daughter didn't want to go if she had to share a room with this girl and called the coach to tell her so. The coach became very irate and withdrew the scholarship offer. Later my daughter saw the coach on tv with the gay girl on that gladiator show. I guess the coach was gay too.
9 posted on 09/25/2002 12:24:31 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Aquinasfan
I hadn't heard these testemonials, but I do recall a quote from the person overseeing the school about why it was so slanted. Rather than defending whether or not it was indeed slanted, he responded with something to the effect of "So many of these children come from backwards, religious parents, and this may be our only shot at them."
10 posted on 09/25/2002 12:25:44 PM PDT by lepton
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Testimony #3:

Q: Did she call you while she was at the Governor's School.

A: Yes. We talked while she was at the Governor's School. She would call. We were very close to her. We started working with Fran because of her suicidal tendencies when she was in the 10th or11th grade. My wife first found out she had suicidal tendencies. She became very close to us. She talked to us off and on mostly as a result of our initiation of us contacting her during the AGS. It's been so long ago now that I forget a lot of it.

There was a lot of existentialism offered to them. I remember one of the debates that really got her into an uproar was whether or not homosexuality was right. Things that are contrary to Judeo Christian morals & values. Basically being thrown up as an alternative lifestyle type of thing. And basically whether anyone could judge right or wrong (NO ABSOLUTES). That's basically what I remember from our conversation.

After it was over, most of our conversation took place about what she was exposed to at Governor's School. Just trying to balance she had been exposed to at the Governor's School.

Q: How much difference did you see in her?

A: The big difference that I saw was that she questioned her faith a awful lot after Governor's School. It was almost as if the experience of the Governor's School destroyed her faith.

It took her several years after that to work through and I'm not sure she ever got back to the point to where she was before Governor's School.

"No absolutes" seems to be a recurring theme.

11 posted on 09/25/2002 12:26:59 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Eva
I would never trust my child to the care of liberal educators in a boarding situation unless I knew exactly what the curriculum involved.

Unfortunately the flattery of the invitation seems to have clouded some parents' minds.

12 posted on 09/25/2002 12:29:21 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
I just read "The Guiding Hand" transcript along with some of the testimonies and I am horrified! I had never heard of a Governor's school until now.
And just when I thought I couldn't be any more disgusted by the clintons...
13 posted on 09/25/2002 12:30:19 PM PDT by inflorida
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Testimony #4

The first week there, my son was given, as were all of the boys in his area, the book Lies, Secrets, and Silence by Adrienne Rich, an avowed lesbian poet. The instructor's rationale was that the boys "needed to become familiar with a woman's perspective on life." From that point on, the curriculum became a constant assault on the values and beliefs of many on the students there. The other general text students used contained essays that were absolutely depraved, in my opinion. Of the ten or twelve featured speakers in my son's area, only two held relatively moderate Philosophical viewpoints. The rest promoted views as controversial as militant feminism, homosexual rights, multiculturalism, unlimited abortion rights, radical environmentalism, and the radical animal rights movement. Not once, in my son's area, did they have even one speaker that supported patriotism, the Church, the value of the family, or any other set of ideas that might have conflicted with AGS agenda of political correctness.

14 posted on 09/25/2002 12:33:06 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: inflorida
I just read "The Guiding Hand" transcript along with some of the testimonies and I am horrified!

I actually saw the video that was distributed by hand just before the 1992 election. I wanted to scream I was so furious. I wanted to wretch every time someone said that they were going to vote for Clinton. And for some strange reason 20/20 and 60 Minutes never picked up this explosive video.

The video is far worse. I don't know where they got the clips from, but there were segments showing half-naked kids dressed up in "war paint" dancing around a room. It was kind of like one of those trance/dance club things.

15 posted on 09/25/2002 12:37:09 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
This Govenor's school counts on just that, the fact that the parents will be so flattered that their child has been selected to become one of the elite, that they will relinquish all parental authority to the state and allow their child to brainwashed. At least that is what happened in this school. This is really scarey stuff.
16 posted on 09/25/2002 12:39:31 PM PDT by Eva
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Testimony #5

Q. How soon after attending the school did you notice the change in behavior?

Immediately. When he came home he didn't want to go to church with us. In October or November was the incident when we found him in the bed room sitting on his bed with his belt around his neck. He had never displayed any kind of stuff like that. He said, "Mom, you would be surprised how many kids have committed suicide who went to Governor’s School."


17 posted on 09/25/2002 12:40:37 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Eva
Some public schools try to alienate kids from their parents, denigrating values that the kids have been brought up with. You don't know what goes on there for 7 hours a day unless you really question your kid. The kids are really guineau pigs for any crazy crackpot experimentation. I believe some of this mind bending took place at Columbine -- they had something called "death education" (I've heard about the program in other public schools) where kids visited funeral parlors and wrote their own obituaries. Why?

There was an article recently in educationnews.org where a 4th grade teacher had his students read, "The Giver" a book about a utopian society (and not age appropriate) which upset some of the kids. Of course, the teacher mocked out a parent who complained.

Someone recently said on another thread that the new NYC School Chancellor was a member of the Clinton's staff during their stay in the White House. Looks like Hillary and Bill are going to do to NYC what they did to Arkansas regarding education.
18 posted on 09/25/2002 12:52:07 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: Aquinasfan
bump for later. This is sick
19 posted on 09/25/2002 12:57:19 PM PDT by billbears
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To: billbears
Same here.
20 posted on 09/25/2002 1:02:03 PM PDT by dead
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To: dead
Same here. You can only take so much of this at a time.
21 posted on 09/25/2002 1:10:29 PM PDT by Slip18
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To: aimhigh
May this program be obliterated.
22 posted on 09/25/2002 1:12:33 PM PDT by Hila
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To: lepton
And who do they think they are, being intolerant of other's beliefs?
23 posted on 09/25/2002 1:14:20 PM PDT by Hila
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To: lepton
And who do they think they are, being intolerant of other's beliefs?
24 posted on 09/25/2002 1:17:16 PM PDT by Hila
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To: inflorida
The perpetrators of such re-education tactics must be stopped. They are into bondage and don't know how to respect people's choices. The true intolerant and base are these "free thinkers" - free to think junk. They must be stopped in New York and everywhere they try to pollute our generations.
25 posted on 09/25/2002 1:28:33 PM PDT by Hila
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To: ladylib
My child read "The Giver", but in Middle School. I read it at that time too. It is really an excellent book. It is about Utopia, but when the "Giver" is relating all of history to his successor (a 13 yr old), the point is well made, that this is, in fact, no Utopia. I would highly recommend this book.
26 posted on 09/25/2002 1:28:35 PM PDT by baseballmom
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To: Aquinasfan
Yegads! Thankfully it isn't that way here in Big Orange Country. I know some folks who did TN Gov school and enjoyed it, all of them utterly unchanged. I was at the university at the same time, but with a different program.

That thing, though, sounds like a monstrosity. I imagine that one could have fun if one didn't mind being tossed out... :)
27 posted on 09/25/2002 1:37:26 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Aquinasfan
Governors school in NC turned out to be an outstanding lesson in Civics, Faith, and Patriotism. I was pleased with what my stepson experienced and learned.
28 posted on 09/25/2002 1:39:28 PM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: ladylib
some of this mind bending took place at Columbine -- they had something called "death education" (I've heard about the program in other public schools) where kids visited funeral parlors and wrote their own obituaries.

As a junior in high school, our sociology class went on a field trip to a funeral home (with parental permission of course). For many of us, it was our first time in one. We didn't go to the embalming rooms or anything gross like that, but the funeral home director spoke to us about the evolution of funeral practives over the years, about reverence for the dead and the importance of family in funeral tradition. Not so bad. But yeah, writing your own obituary? That is SO sick!
29 posted on 09/25/2002 1:40:12 PM PDT by Nathan Jr.
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To: wattsmag2
Governors school in NC turned out to be an outstanding lesson in Civics, Faith, and Patriotism. I was pleased with what my stepson experienced and learned.

I'm glad to hear that. My point in posting this story from 1992 was to warn people about the education goals of the Clintons and the education elites (teacher colleges, Dept. of Ed) that think like them.

It is important to note that I have found some first-hand accounts from Governor's School alumni in various states who report similar experiences as those posted above. I urge people to do their own research and draw their own conclusions.

30 posted on 09/25/2002 2:02:54 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
NC did not have a 6 week affair, BTW. Nor were participants discouraged from communicating with "outsiders". Plus, it is run by the American Legion
31 posted on 09/25/2002 2:14:43 PM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: Aquinasfan

I was there.

I attended Arkansas Governors' School in 1992 when this was written (while X42 was running for Prez the first time). I don't have time to respond to all this right now, but I will say the truth is somewhere in the middle. The whole thing was slanted hard to the left, but it wasn't really brainwashing. Overall, I'd say it was a positive experience, but there were also obvious problems with the way it was structured.

If anyone has any particular questions you want a first-hand account on, fire away.

32 posted on 09/25/2002 2:22:57 PM PDT by Sloth
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To: Aquinasfan
So, why would anyone in their right mind send their kid to school here?
33 posted on 09/25/2002 2:25:03 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: ladylib
Really talking to your kids is the key. Any parent who really talks to their kids would not allow a school to alienate them. They would know what was happening.

When my son was in seventh grade, the school brought in a group of players for what they called diversity training. The kids expected it to be on boy on girl sexual harassment, but it was on Gay rights. Anyway the kids were puzzled by the the skits, they really weren't very conscious of homosexuality and were shocked by all the talk. Anyway, during the question and answer period, my son stood up and asked the guy if he was gay and if that is why he was doing this. The guy was stunned and didn't know what to say. But my point is that my son wasn't being converted to lib-think. It ruined the whole session and gave other kids the strength to question, also.
34 posted on 09/25/2002 2:59:00 PM PDT by Eva
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To: baseballmom
I think he should have told the parents in advance. In the article he said he didn't offer his opinion, but let the kids come to their own conclusion. Fourth grade is a little too young for this type of discussion. However, I bet a lot of parents had very interesting conversations around their dinner table with their fourth graders about this book.
35 posted on 09/25/2002 3:14:00 PM PDT by ladylib
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TESTIMONY NUMBER EIGHT

Parent of Governor's School in N. Carolina
August 1994

The following is information which I picked up from a phone conversation I had with a mother in North Carolina. Her daughter attended the Governor’s School in North Carolina from which The Arkansas Governor’s School was patterned. This mother had not seen the Guiding Hand video made by Jeff Botkin, which gave me my first knowledge of the school. She sent me a letter because her daughter had obtained a copy of one of our newsletters which was condemning the school. Apparently someone in Arkansas, I am assuming that it was someone directly connected with AGS, had sent a copy of this newsletter to the school in North Carolina showing them what criticisms were being made about the school in Arkansas. They were evidently using the newsletter to help counter objections either from the students or from others who might object to the school.

3 different campuses

...By the end of the second week she was saying things like, "well she and her dorm mates have decided to basically say we will just say we will go along to get along". And then there was this immediate flip flop in her personality. Then we had some time with her and we asked her to share some of the literature, the types of things she was getting there. We just found them all to be so depressive, morbid. One was about a hanging party for a friend. They were more interested about how it would appear to society than actually hanging the person.

There was more and more. She didn't want to come home to her friends and school. They were not challenging, not intellectual. A total elitist attitude...

They did a personality profile and as a side line to that they gave them this quiz about this defense mechanism. It was a handout called "defense mechanism".

Q. Even though he hires prostitutes and uses pornography, Jimmy Swaggart claims he opposes it _________________what mechanism

Q. Joe has no memory of the time he raped a woman

Q. A young woman might be attracted to a young female but tells herself she hates all lesbians.

This goes on and on and on. 22 of these questions. Everything that I saw had sexual overtones. It’s very morbid. I don't feel that we’re terribly conservative but these questions, I don't understand the connection to education. I just didn't like the sexual overtones that were in every part of this.

I told you about the T-shirt that I saw. Every single one was like that that we saw.

Science students do it with cadavers was one.

The impact was just there.

There was a semi-formal dance where a young man came dressed in full drag with an evening gown, long hair and make up and everything and that was tolerated and accepted. It was no big deal. A nice semiformal event after school. That was certainly inappropriate behavior for that environment.

They had a masquerade party, a dance kind of thing, and she told me about someone came as a "dictator" and what that costumed involved was a potato behind his fly. These are the kinds of things that I'm extremely upset by. I questioned what validity they had when this program was presented as an enrichment program for education. I keep thinking, am I the only parent?

... The paper work said the school started in 1969 by Governor Terry Stanford. It is sponsored by Carnegie. Their money is withdrawn after 3 years.

It's almost as if every point that we have questioned or had a thought of doing they've already planned for it. The director has already said there was a movement afoot to get him ousted. They wanted to put in a good old boy network. So basically he's already said he knows all of these criticisms are there. I don't understand why your newsletter was handed out 3 days before the end of the class. Basically it was done to say, hey we know this is out there, we know this is going to be the criticism.

... One teacher was telling about a friend of his who is a masochist who ended up in the hospital for numerous tortures. What in God's name does that have to do with literature?...

And basically they tell them they are elite. I was particularly interested, I mean your quotes in that newsletter were so much like what I heard from her. She had not seen that newsletter until a couple of days before she was let out of the session so basically everything that was there was something that I heard in one way or another. And the director himself at the end of the session and the other students confirmed this that if anyone asked what went on here just tell them you had fun because they won't get it anyway. I don't want to understand a lot of it. It's just so unbelievable that this kind of thing went on.

I do have a copy of the drama which the school put on. A play called JB which I guess is taken from the Bible. Now you understand that this school attracts THE best students, the most talented. The cover of this play pamphlet looks like the devil himself. I mean I looked at it and it looked like something out of satanic rituals that you see on TV. It was just appalling to me that they couldn't come up with anything better to put on a play bill than this. It was unbelievable and at every turn this is what we are seeing. But we have her T-shirt put away. She is not permitted to wear it. And her whole thing was you have to look past the word and to the underlying meaning.

Well I'm sorry. On her shirt it talked about, I think it started out like there were characters you could choose. You could be the hero, the heroine, the bed or the newly pressed suit. The hero takes the heroine out for the evening. They went to the movies and came back and decided to have sex so he laid her on the bed like a newly pressed suit. And then some intruder breaks in, knocks the hero out and proceeds to rape the female, the heroine. The words of the poem says "and the rape continues for many stanzas." And then it goes on and asks, "which character did you choose? I hope your choice was better than mine and I hope your story ended better than mine.

The director said they couldn't allow the logo to go on the shirt. But what the students could do with the full approval of the director and all of these teachers in her discipline was they could go across town and have as many printed as they wanted. So there was no saying, "no this is definitely not permissible." The poem was a selection from one of their readings that they all voted on. (60 students) That poetry selection was not in the group of papers that she was allowed to bring home. The readings she was allowed to bring home was sort of literary analysis from aristotle. Very okay literature that you would normally find in most English classes in college. However, of all the other short stories and all of these other poetry, there were no copies to be brought home. And I just don't understand. It's in every Governor's school. I know kids who have attended others and they say they are a little off the wall. When I mentioned something about strictly academics this parent said, "I didn't see that much in the English area. I don't know who was in charge there. I just didn't get the sense that there were any adults who were really in charge. They just sort of allowed these kids to be totally free. I know my daughter will be off to school in a couple of years but the concentration of this garbage was so intense. They didn't have access to anything outside, not even television. I saw a change at the two week mark. Before that she was like, "gosh, you know I can't go along with this kind of stuff. It makes no sense. It's not what I thought it would be." In two weeks it was "well my friends and I have decided to get along or go along" and at that point it was just a total difference. Even though we saw her, even though we are extremely close there was a wall between us. I'm just glad we went every day and that I persisted in talking with her because she really didn't want to talk about it. Finally we had a discussion all night long one night and at 3:30 in the morning she said to me "I see now why you're concerned."

I didn't like the fact that they said the friends couldn't come to visit. My daughter has a strong circle of friends here and when she came back it was like they didn't matter. She wasn't interested in her school and yet she has been involved in government there at her school. She has been top of her class. She has been involved in outside programs and all of a sudden she didn't want to come back to that. My daughter is very strong and I'm thankful for that but I seriously wonder about some of the others.

After I showed my co-workers this, because we felt it was such an honor that she was selected and it's written up in the paper and it's promoted as if it is a very special honor, they were all very proud of the kids that went. I took this in and I said this is what we are paying for. This is what the tax dollars are paying for. And this is what went on. One of the young mothers said she will never allow her child to participate in anything like that. The question that everybody asks is "if this is so prevalent, all of these kids go every year, why hasn't anybody ever said anything? I don't know. I can't be the only one that's appalled by this. I just feel extremely strong that something has got to be done about this.

End of testimony

36 posted on 09/25/2002 3:42:15 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Sloth
I was there.

Tell us about it!

Did all groups participate in all the activities at the same time? Were you divided up? How would you describe Area II and Area III?

37 posted on 09/25/2002 3:45:29 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: EverOnward; Axenolith; Texas_Jarhead; aimhigh; Eva; lepton; inflorida; ladylib; billbears; dead; ...
We have a Freeper who attended the Governor's School in 1992:

I was there.

I attended Arkansas Governors' School in 1992 when this was written (while X42 was running for Prez the first time). I don't have time to respond to all this right now, but I will say the truth is somewhere in the middle. The whole thing was slanted hard to the left, but it wasn't really brainwashing. Overall, I'd say it was a positive experience, but there were also obvious problems with the way it was structured.

If anyone has any particular questions you want a first-hand account on, fire away.


38 posted on 09/25/2002 3:54:41 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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Meet a future teacher of America. This guy wouldn't trade his Governor's School experience for the world.
39 posted on 09/25/2002 4:02:33 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
you've got to write us up a little summary of the experience. please.
40 posted on 09/25/2002 4:29:36 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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I found the comments of an entire Tennessee Governor's School (for teachers) class of 1996. A sample:
"Winding my way through time and space, my senses are tantalized by a place of both intellectual stimulation and constant fun. I shudder in disbelief, but immediately realize the implications of being able to take part in this blissful experience. Namely, in one month, I must leave this place forever and go back to the monotony of everyday life... Of what am I speaking? Surprised that not all know of this utopia, I pause before giving my answer. "The Governor's School for Prospective Teachers," I answer in a daze..." So, when I say classes, I don't mean how to diagram a sentence. Let's pretend that truth does not exist beyond being a meaningless word which humans use to express themselves. Some agree with this statement, others disagree completely, and still another group believes that there is a middle ground to be found in this disscusion. Where do you stand? Would you like to find out? If so, or even if you don't think you'd care, you will almost definitely find yourself enjoying the class by Dr. Whitaker over that "stupid" book you have to read on your summer vacation called Ishmael.

What's Ishmael about? From Amazon.com:

Over several days, the ape, Ishmael, as gruff as his Greek model, drags the man into a new understanding of humanity's place in the world. In a nutshell, Ishmael argues that humanity has evolved two ways of living: There are the ``Leavers,'' or hunter-gatherers (e.g., Bushmen), who live in harmony with the rest of life; and there are the ``Takers'' (our civilization), who arose with the agricultural revolution, aim to conquer the rest of life, and are destroying it in the process.

Knock me over with a feather.

Student #2: "The sessions are wonderful.We discussed everything from educational government funding to adjusting to your multi-cultural classroom."

Student #3: :"From our psychotherapy session on the second night to limboing to "Shake Senora" on the third story balcony to starting a waterfight by drenching Nathan, I can honestly say this has been the best experience of my life... The faculty and staff here have been my parents away from home. I loved our heated discussions so much...I wish to personally thank each and every one of you. Advice to future GSPT students: don't listen to everyone else; Ishmael and Savage Inequalities are actually very fine books...please read them! (Especially if you don't want to face the wrath of Dr. Dan!)

Student #4: "We learned so many things, not so much about teaching, although we learned alot about that too, as about life in general."

Student #5: "This month, however, was not like regular school (Bleech!). We explored just about every facet of the educational field. Our minds are chock full of the words learning styles (Are you concrete sequential?), concept attainment, and closure."

Brainwash me, please!

41 posted on 09/25/2002 4:35:34 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Sloth is the Freeper who attended the 1992 Arkansas Governor's school. See post #32
42 posted on 09/25/2002 4:37:23 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
thanks
43 posted on 09/25/2002 4:45:01 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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I liked this review of Ishmael, required reading at the 1996 Tennessee Governor's School for future teachers:

(ONE STAR) Great Book for self-loathing Caucasians, August 6, 2002

Reviewer: cpccpc from Fair Haven, NJ United States Do you believe Western Civilization is the root of all evil? Do you believe Human beings are nothing but a virus on the face of Mother Earth? Do you hate Caucasians or wish you weren't one? Do you believe that the world would be a better place without people? Then this book is for you!


44 posted on 09/25/2002 4:48:12 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan; All
The Clinton's TRUE agenda was just described in this. I hope everyone in New York and the entire country reads this!!! This is EXACTLY how they treated Chelsea when she was a child and "THEY" were running for office.

Bill Clinton is influenced by the EVIL Hillary because he is a woman chasing COWARD who wouldn't stand up to the WANT TO BE DICTATOR!!! PLEASE DON'T EVER GIVE HER THE CHANCE TO ACHIEVE HER ULTIMATE GOAL!!!

45 posted on 09/25/2002 5:02:02 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Aquinasfan
You know that's a problem with our society as a whole. Notice a few of these folks say they don't think they are conservative, yet they are aghast at the same things conservatives would be. Libs have so vilified conservative and the values associated with that even people who are conservative in their values think they aren't. How do we change this.
I don't know what to say to the Governor's school thing. I think my brother did this is Florida(I remember him being in a 6 week program for advanced students of some sort). This was recent(he's 21) and he's still as conservative as ever, though not particularly religious, but that's from our upbringing.
46 posted on 09/25/2002 5:22:40 PM PDT by glory
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To: glory
bttt
47 posted on 09/25/2002 5:30:15 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Aquinasfan
I have truckloads of questions.

My first question is: Were prayers allowed?

48 posted on 09/25/2002 6:50:05 PM PDT by Slip18
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To: Aquinasfan
He says his mother doesn't see people for the way they are but for the way they act.

Child, child, people are the way they act, not the way they intend or think. But of course once you've been programmed to see everything as relative and forbidden to judge anything or anyone etc. People like the Clintons require that mindset in their followers - otherwise they would have been busted years ago.

49 posted on 09/25/2002 6:59:37 PM PDT by Let's Roll
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When I got to paragraph three, I knew the Clintons were going to be involved in this story. I am astonished and sickened by what I've read.

I asked my daughter if she had heard of 'Governor's School'.
She has a PHD and has taught at 3 universities. (I count among my blessings that she remains a person of faith, is conservative and Republican-even after spending her entire life in school) She has never heard of 'Governor's School', although she says it sounds like any liberal university.

The Clintons have initiated a program that will perpetuate THEM as long as it's operating.
50 posted on 09/25/2002 7:43:37 PM PDT by windchime
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