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Testimony of parent whose son committed suicide [1 of 4] after attending the Ark. Gov.'s School
American Family Association of Arkansas ^ | 1992 | Shelvie Cole

Posted on 09/25/2002 11:51:24 AM PDT by Aquinasfan

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This may be old news to some of you here, but I didn't find anything after searching under "Governor's Schools" here.

The upshot of this is that the "Governor's School" described here is the educational dream school of both Bill and Hilary Clinton. This is what they and the educational elite have in mind for your children.

The Arkansas Governor's School was immortalized in the video "The Guiding Hand" the transcript of which is available here.

Please feel free to post other exerpts from the testimonies collected here.

1 posted on 09/25/2002 11:51:24 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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My daughter is being encouraged to apply for the Governors School here in Virginia. Now, I'm wondering what goes on in Virginia?
2 posted on 09/25/2002 12:00:18 PM PDT by EverOnward
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That is pretty freakin' bizarre, it sounds like something that would be run by associates of Pol Pot...
3 posted on 09/25/2002 12:00:51 PM PDT by Axenolith
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From Testimony 2:

I, personally, have experienced something similar to this as well. As any young person would, as soon as I arrived at Governor's School during the summer of 1983, I began to make friends. Because of the immediate attacks upon our religious beliefs, it was not long before I knew the religious faith of my friends, as well as some of their strong convictions. I had friends who were of many different religious backgrounds and some who professed no faith of any kind. Many of then in the first week had told me of their personal faith the God of the Bible, the authority of the written Old and New Testament, and their belief in life after death in either "heaven or hell". After approximately three weeks of anti-Christian propaganda, the majority of my friends had totally changed their whole moral system and world view. Those who had not totally converted to an atheistic, anti-Christian philosophy told me that they were no longer sure of their religious beliefs. I must say that for a few I questioned some of my beliefs as well. I honestly don’t know what you would call an attempt to change the value system of over three hundred children in three weeks, except brainwashing.

One incident has remained very clear in my mind because it was so upsetting to me. We had watched a movie of raw footage of Nazi concentration camps and the varied forms of torture and killing and uses of the Jews dead bodies that took place during War World II. The footage was horrific especially for me as a sixteen year old. Later that same day we were told to divide into groups at various locations in order to have group discussions led by an instructor. I was involved in a discussion that took place in the foyer of Rainey Hall led by an man who was not one of my regular teachers. He reminded us of the film we had viewed earlier in the day and asked the question, "If there is an all-loving God, why does He allow things like this to happen? I was the only child in the whole room who would stand up to this man. Before the discussion was over some of the students, who two weeks earlier had professed Christian beliefs, were in my face yelling that there was no god and there was no way there could be one. It is very clear that the curriculum of the program is intended to bring about these results. It is also maliciously discriminating against those who profess orthodox Jewish or orthodox Christian beliefs. It is also apparent that the instructor’s influence was causing students to persecute each other.

Sounds kinda Maoist to me. Gotta love those rascally Clintons. Gov. Bill Clinton said "it would be impossible for me to describe to you just how exciting & unusual this education adventure is." According to one student who attended the Governor's School, Hillary Clinton talked about converting the schools (public schools) into something similar to the Governor's School.

4 posted on 09/25/2002 12:01:02 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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My daughter is being encouraged to apply for the Governors School here in Virginia. Now, I'm wondering what goes on in Virginia?

They're all over the country. I typed in "Governor's School" and found respectable sounding math/technical schools. But I also saw personal horror stories from kids on their home pages. One was of the NC Governor's School.

Apparently they're run by the state board of ed. Be very wary. It wouldn't hurt to talk to alumni. Maybe you could ask for an alumni list?

5 posted on 09/25/2002 12:09:17 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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wholly crap! talk about re-education camps. cripes!
6 posted on 09/25/2002 12:15:41 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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wholly crap! talk about re-education camps. cripes!

This bears repeating:

Gov. Bill Clinton said "it would be impossible for me to describe to you just how exciting & unusual this education adventure is." According to one student who attended the Governor's School, Hillary Clinton talked about converting the schools (public schools) into something similar to the Governor's School.

Look out New Yorkers! Apparently Bill is interested in becoming mayor.

7 posted on 09/25/2002 12:21:55 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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This presents a good picture of the future of all public schools. Cults.
8 posted on 09/25/2002 12:22:18 PM PDT by aimhigh
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I would never trust my child to the care of liberal educators in a boarding situation unless I knew exactly what the curriculum involved. Sit in on all the classes that your child will taking and observe for yourself. Discuss homosexuality with the administration and make sure you are comfortable with it because it can be a big issue in boarding situations.

My daughter was invited to UCLA for a recruiting week-end and assigned to room with a girl who was openly homo-sexual. My daughter didn't want to go if she had to share a room with this girl and called the coach to tell her so. The coach became very irate and withdrew the scholarship offer. Later my daughter saw the coach on tv with the gay girl on that gladiator show. I guess the coach was gay too.
9 posted on 09/25/2002 12:24:31 PM PDT by Eva
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I hadn't heard these testemonials, but I do recall a quote from the person overseeing the school about why it was so slanted. Rather than defending whether or not it was indeed slanted, he responded with something to the effect of "So many of these children come from backwards, religious parents, and this may be our only shot at them."
10 posted on 09/25/2002 12:25:44 PM PDT by lepton
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Testimony #3:

Q: Did she call you while she was at the Governor's School.

A: Yes. We talked while she was at the Governor's School. She would call. We were very close to her. We started working with Fran because of her suicidal tendencies when she was in the 10th or11th grade. My wife first found out she had suicidal tendencies. She became very close to us. She talked to us off and on mostly as a result of our initiation of us contacting her during the AGS. It's been so long ago now that I forget a lot of it.

There was a lot of existentialism offered to them. I remember one of the debates that really got her into an uproar was whether or not homosexuality was right. Things that are contrary to Judeo Christian morals & values. Basically being thrown up as an alternative lifestyle type of thing. And basically whether anyone could judge right or wrong (NO ABSOLUTES). That's basically what I remember from our conversation.

After it was over, most of our conversation took place about what she was exposed to at Governor's School. Just trying to balance she had been exposed to at the Governor's School.

Q: How much difference did you see in her?

A: The big difference that I saw was that she questioned her faith a awful lot after Governor's School. It was almost as if the experience of the Governor's School destroyed her faith.

It took her several years after that to work through and I'm not sure she ever got back to the point to where she was before Governor's School.

"No absolutes" seems to be a recurring theme.

11 posted on 09/25/2002 12:26:59 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Eva
I would never trust my child to the care of liberal educators in a boarding situation unless I knew exactly what the curriculum involved.

Unfortunately the flattery of the invitation seems to have clouded some parents' minds.

12 posted on 09/25/2002 12:29:21 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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I just read "The Guiding Hand" transcript along with some of the testimonies and I am horrified! I had never heard of a Governor's school until now.
And just when I thought I couldn't be any more disgusted by the clintons...
13 posted on 09/25/2002 12:30:19 PM PDT by inflorida
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Testimony #4

The first week there, my son was given, as were all of the boys in his area, the book Lies, Secrets, and Silence by Adrienne Rich, an avowed lesbian poet. The instructor's rationale was that the boys "needed to become familiar with a woman's perspective on life." From that point on, the curriculum became a constant assault on the values and beliefs of many on the students there. The other general text students used contained essays that were absolutely depraved, in my opinion. Of the ten or twelve featured speakers in my son's area, only two held relatively moderate Philosophical viewpoints. The rest promoted views as controversial as militant feminism, homosexual rights, multiculturalism, unlimited abortion rights, radical environmentalism, and the radical animal rights movement. Not once, in my son's area, did they have even one speaker that supported patriotism, the Church, the value of the family, or any other set of ideas that might have conflicted with AGS agenda of political correctness.

14 posted on 09/25/2002 12:33:06 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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I just read "The Guiding Hand" transcript along with some of the testimonies and I am horrified!

I actually saw the video that was distributed by hand just before the 1992 election. I wanted to scream I was so furious. I wanted to wretch every time someone said that they were going to vote for Clinton. And for some strange reason 20/20 and 60 Minutes never picked up this explosive video.

The video is far worse. I don't know where they got the clips from, but there were segments showing half-naked kids dressed up in "war paint" dancing around a room. It was kind of like one of those trance/dance club things.

15 posted on 09/25/2002 12:37:09 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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This Govenor's school counts on just that, the fact that the parents will be so flattered that their child has been selected to become one of the elite, that they will relinquish all parental authority to the state and allow their child to brainwashed. At least that is what happened in this school. This is really scarey stuff.
16 posted on 09/25/2002 12:39:31 PM PDT by Eva
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Testimony #5

Q. How soon after attending the school did you notice the change in behavior?

Immediately. When he came home he didn't want to go to church with us. In October or November was the incident when we found him in the bed room sitting on his bed with his belt around his neck. He had never displayed any kind of stuff like that. He said, "Mom, you would be surprised how many kids have committed suicide who went to Governor’s School."


17 posted on 09/25/2002 12:40:37 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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Some public schools try to alienate kids from their parents, denigrating values that the kids have been brought up with. You don't know what goes on there for 7 hours a day unless you really question your kid. The kids are really guineau pigs for any crazy crackpot experimentation. I believe some of this mind bending took place at Columbine -- they had something called "death education" (I've heard about the program in other public schools) where kids visited funeral parlors and wrote their own obituaries. Why?

There was an article recently in educationnews.org where a 4th grade teacher had his students read, "The Giver" a book about a utopian society (and not age appropriate) which upset some of the kids. Of course, the teacher mocked out a parent who complained.

Someone recently said on another thread that the new NYC School Chancellor was a member of the Clinton's staff during their stay in the White House. Looks like Hillary and Bill are going to do to NYC what they did to Arkansas regarding education.
18 posted on 09/25/2002 12:52:07 PM PDT by ladylib
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bump for later. This is sick
19 posted on 09/25/2002 12:57:19 PM PDT by billbears
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Same here.
20 posted on 09/25/2002 1:02:03 PM PDT by dead
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