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To: patent
You are saying that, even though I can afford to pay
court ordered fines, I am free to declare bankruptcy
to get out of the payment? Sorry, I find that
very hard to believe.
15 posted on 09/25/2002 8:22:15 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse
You are saying that, even though I can afford to pay court ordered fines, I am free to declare bankruptcy to get out of the payment? Sorry, I find that very hard to believe.
You should find that hard to believe, as that is not what I said. Perhaps, in addition to working on your credulity, you should practice some reading skills.

In your first post, you did not refer to having an ability to pay the court ordered fines. If you legally have the ability to pay the fines, you can never use the bankruptcy code to escape them. Frankly, the idea that you could escape any debts by filing bankruptcy, despite the clear ability to pay them, is so ludicrous that I assumed no one here was so dense as to require that clarification.

If you do not have the ability to pay the debts, if you are a pauper for instance, you can declare bankruptcy. This is “something we can all do now” as you asked, provided that we meet the normal requirements of any bankruptcy code, that is we are to poor to pay the debts. What this amendment seeks to do is carve out a special class of paupers, pro-lifers, and based on their actions outside of abortion clinics forbid them from discharging their debts.

If I go sue you tomorrow, and get a 10 billion dollar judgment against you, you will likely declare bankruptcy, or my collection efforts will force you into it anyway, regardless of your desires. On the other hand, should this bill pass, if you protest outside an abortion clinic, get sued along with 20 other protesters under RICO, and get held liable for a 10 billion dollar judgment, you, unlike any other individual in the country, will not be able to turn to the bankruptcy courts. Burn a Church down and you are safe. Protest outside planned parenthood, and you remain in debt for your entire life.

That is the goal.

patent  +AMDG

16 posted on 09/25/2002 8:33:56 PM PDT by patent
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