"Refute me ..."
And no one can.
I've heard her on the issue before. She's definitely an intelligent lady. When she starts pondering what defines the end of a human life, and why she considers a person on life support whose brain is completely dead but whose body is still alive from the neck down is not a "living person" but is in fact a "dead body", and what that implies about the beginning of a person's life, she is going to be in for quite a shock! At that point I have faith that she'll accept that she has just refuted herself. (at least partially.)"Refute me ..."
And no one can.