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Gunmen Dressed As ATF Agents Invade Home
MSNBC ^ | October 3, 2002 | unknown

Posted on 10/03/2002 8:41:47 PM PDT by Mulder

San Diego police are searching for four gunmen who impersonated federal law enforcement officers and invaded a home near the San Ysidro border crossing Thursday.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: California
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; homeinvasion
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1 posted on 10/03/2002 8:41:47 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: *bang_list
bang
2 posted on 10/03/2002 8:42:10 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: Mulder
mexican gangsters? naaa couldn't be
3 posted on 10/03/2002 8:43:15 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Mulder
I've always thought that people who impersonate police are the most horrifying criminals around. These guys have taken it to a new level.
4 posted on 10/03/2002 8:43:47 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Travis McGee
ping
5 posted on 10/03/2002 8:47:23 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Mulder
Anybody sure that they weren't actually Federal Agents...?
6 posted on 10/03/2002 8:47:29 PM PDT by Vidalia
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To: Mulder
Just because they were crooks doesn't mean they weren't ATF agents.
7 posted on 10/03/2002 8:49:29 PM PDT by oldfart
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To: Vidalia
Anybody sure that they weren't actually Federal Agents...?

LOL! The distinction between "criminal" and "Federal agent" is diminishing by the day....

8 posted on 10/03/2002 8:49:43 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
I've always thought that people who impersonate police are the most horrifying criminals around. These guys have taken it to a new level.

It's not the first time it's been done, nor will it be the last.

The militarization of the police, coupled with an increasing number of "no-knock" warrants, is creating a situation where criminals can profit by impersonating these "agents".

There is no legimitate reason for the police to conduct "no-knock" searches (except in a kidnapping situation, or other extreme scenarios).

9 posted on 10/03/2002 8:54:07 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: Mulder; Jeff Head
This is the problem with the massive use of para-military raids on Americans in the drug and gun wars.
10 posted on 10/03/2002 8:57:32 PM PDT by The FRugitive
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To: Mulder
There are several police officers in Jacksonville, FL who are on trial right now...one is charged with murder because he pulled a guy over (the cop knew the guy had just left the bank and carried lots of cash for his payroll) and the cop strangled the man in the back of the patrol car and then dumped the body. The cop on trial for murder and his cronies had been going to known drug locations and stealing the drugs and money. Sick.
11 posted on 10/03/2002 8:57:38 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Vidalia
Anybody sure that they weren't actually Federal Agents...?

Nope, definitely not ATF. I heard that all of the family pets survived.

12 posted on 10/03/2002 9:11:33 PM PDT by FreeInWV
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13 posted on 10/03/2002 9:12:19 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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14 posted on 10/03/2002 9:14:26 PM PDT by TaxPayer2000
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To: oldfart
I prefer crooks to genuine ATF agents.

At least you can shoot the crooks, and not get your house burned down in retaliation.
15 posted on 10/03/2002 9:43:52 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Beelzebubba
At least you can shoot the crooks, and not have your house burned down in retaliation...

For the moment, at least...

the infowarrior

16 posted on 10/03/2002 11:56:29 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: Mulder
It's getting hard to tell the players without a scorecard.

Why do we have federal LEOs anyway?

I can see how it was necessary in the wooly territorial west to have U.S. Marshals to keep the peace and bring in scoundrels who fled to uninhabited regions.

But don't we now have states to enforce law and order? What am I missing here?

17 posted on 10/04/2002 12:18:30 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: Mulder
There is no legimitate reason for the police to conduct "no-knock" searches (except in a kidnapping situation, or other extreme scenarios).

You've got that right. It is much safer and simpler to simply walk up to a suspect when they are in public and arrest him/her and the LEOs can be in much better control of the situation.

That criminals broke into a residence under the pretense of being LEOs should put LEAs on notice that a no knock entry into a residence or other building absent a bonifide emergency requiring surprise (hostasge situation) could wind up getting LEOs needlessly killed by those inside. The logic used to justify no-knocks fails to adequately address the dangers inherent in those cases where the life of someone is not in immediate danger. Just grab the suspect when they are out in public and have no time to react or shoot at anyone.

If an LEO was shot by a suspect during a no-knock and an innocent person's life was not in danger, the prosecutor would not want me on the jury. And how many innocent people have been killed because the cops went to the wrong house or the warrant was based on bad or phoney information? Too many if you ask me.

18 posted on 10/04/2002 12:52:53 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Interesting!
19 posted on 10/04/2002 8:45:55 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Mulder; ItisaReligionofPeace; Texas_Jarhead; PatrioticAmerican; Vidalia; oldfart; The FRugitive; ...
The article never states that they weren't ATF agtents...
20 posted on 10/07/2002 3:54:22 PM PDT by packrat01
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