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Interview / Vicious circles closing in
Ha'aretz (Jerusalem) ^
| 4 October 2002
| Micha Odenheimer
Posted on 10/04/2002 7:43:24 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt
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It's a long read, but worthwhile. Here we have a lefty, who gets it. He also has some interesting first hand reports from Kurdistan and from the Shia Arab south of Iraq. Shia's make up 60% of the Iraqi population. There's also some explanation for why George Bush stopped the war in '91 and left Saddam in power.
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posted on
10/06/2002 2:58:01 PM PDT
by
dennisw
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It's a long read, but worthwhile. Here we have a lefty, who gets it.So we have a Lefty in Hitchens who gets it from England. We have this dude from Germany. Anyone like this in France?
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posted on
10/06/2002 3:06:04 PM PDT
by
rdb3
To: dennisw
Sleepers, Hmm.
That is an interesting phrase you used.
To: grammymoon
me jerk, wrong thread, sorry.
To: dennisw
Thanks for the ping. The whole article needs to be read, it is fascinating. Thomas von der Osten-Sacken is a Marxist, and the only one I've ever read with great insight and a good deal of common sense, no doubt due to his active work in Iraq, Syria, etc.
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posted on
10/06/2002 4:30:33 PM PDT
by
xJones
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Really fascinating interview. Thanks for posting.
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"American policy in Iraq is a series of huge mistakes. Firstly, it was a mistake to support that horrible regime in the 1980s knowing, for example, about the massacres against the Kurds. Secondly, it was a huge mistake not to let the Iraqi people topple Saddam in '91. The Americans feared democracy in the Middle East, they feared the breakup of Iraq because it would strengthen Iran, so they allowed Saddam to crush the uprising. Very interesting interview. Exellent post.
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Very worth reading.
If this guy is right, our problems with Germany are just beginning.
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This is an insightful article.
I thought the following remark was of particular interest:
"Also, the Germans are quite afraid of the archives in Baghdad and what they tell about the poison gas and other weapons deals that were made between Iraq and a lot of German enterprises."
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posted on
10/06/2002 9:38:09 PM PDT
by
Mitchell
To: Mitchell
Germans are quite afraid of the archives in Baghdad and what they tell about the poison gas and other weapons deals I can remember years back, when the West German govt (as it then was) denied that they had sent the materials for chemical weapons to Iraq. However, it came out that they had, so Chancellor Kohl apologised and said - oh yes, we did after all.
A person I knew who was a political activist on Middle East causes said - The Germans have a way with gas, don't they?
I remembered that, because I thought it was a nice line!
To: Mitchell
This is an insightful article. Well it was, up to a point.
Then he began to quote, with favour, Rosa Luxembourg, and I couldn't continue.
My God! There are still such people around?
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posted on
10/06/2002 10:06:44 PM PDT
by
Nogbad
To: Mitchell
Thanks very much for the ping. It is a very good article.
I'm surprised I find myself agreeing with a marxist, but I do. He makes sense.
I'm fed up with myopic leadership...
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posted on
10/06/2002 11:00:14 PM PDT
by
keri
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My God! There are still such people around? Although it's hard to believe, I guess there still are Spartacists and Trotskyites and various other kinds of misguided Marxists.
Regardless of this person's political views though, I thought the article was worthwhile reading. It wasn't at all the typical warmed-over Marxist rant.
Some of these issues have very little to do with a left-vs.-right dichotomy. One's views on terrorism, Iraq, etc., are not necessarily correlated with one's place on the political spectrum. There are some on the left (far fewer than in the past, however) who are thoughtful regarding security issues.
In fact, it is a bit surprising that so many on the left have turned into apologists for terrorists. I think that part of the problem is that their other views have been so demonstrably discredited that one has to ask why someone would remain there. The reasons for remaining in the left are generally a hodgepodge of intellectual dishonesty, emotional rebellion for its own sake, and a nostalgic living in the past; this is sometimes combined with pure power politics. People with that lack of foundation generally have very little interesting to say. But this lack of foundation is not universal; there is some intelligent commentary from those on the left, and I wouldn't want to maintain otherwise.
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10/07/2002 9:42:08 AM PDT
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Mitchell
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posted on
10/07/2002 9:42:41 AM PDT
by
Mo1
To: keri
I'm surprised I find myself agreeing with a marxist, but I do. He makes sense.That was my reaction as well, keri.
I'm fed up with myopic leadership...
I'm encouraged by the defense policies enunciated by such people as Rumsfeld and Cheney. On the other hand, the apparent lack of accountability for performance on the part of the FBI and the CIA is very troubling.
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posted on
10/07/2002 9:45:33 AM PDT
by
Mitchell
To: BlackVeil
I'd say it was a chilling line.
Only time will tell where much of the world really stands.
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posted on
10/07/2002 9:48:00 AM PDT
by
Mitchell
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