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To: Pokey78
The United States is now the victim that the European Union would like to toss off the sled.

This is a rather forced analogy. We aren't in the position of Czechoslovakia in 1938, unable to defend ourselves from Hitler. Nor has it been shown that we are Saddam's victim. When a situation similar to 1938 happened in 1991, Europe was essentially on board. Wildly throwing around victim analogies doesn't win arguments.

5 posted on 10/06/2002 10:32:37 AM PDT by x
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That's the point he makes. It's easy to toss a weak victim to the wolves to appease them. But tryinbg to toss the U.S. to the wolves is a serious mistake.

To extend the analogy, it's like tossing your only armed guard off the back of the sleigh. The wolves will prefer to keep following the weaker victims still on the sleigh.
6 posted on 10/06/2002 10:46:08 AM PDT by Cicero
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When a situation similar to 1938 happened in 1991, Europe was essentially on board.

Actually, the situation today is an action replay of 1991. I remember the run up to Desert Storm very well. I was in the UK at the time. Basically, outside of the United States, only Margaret Thatcher was for taking on Saddam. Every argument you hear today against taking on Iraq was broadcast 24x7 by the euro elites -- we've got to solve the Palistinian problem first, the Arab street will be inflamed, Russia won't like it, it will start World War III, the Americans are acting like cowboys, it's all about oil, it's all about politics, we created Hussein, we'll take 50,000 casualties in a march on Baghdad, the "elite Republican Guard" will give us a good hiding, we must try sanctions first, what about the Iraqi civilians who'll be killed?, etc., etc. And, after the fighting got underway, every slight setback for Desert Storm received enormous, apocalyptic play from the elite media, who meanwhile fell over themselves to give a platform and a voice to the Iraqi tyrant.

So, I just yawn whenever I hear this stuff all over again. One of the benefits of getting older is you begin to understand how limited and predictable people really are, and learn to discount their words accordingly.

7 posted on 10/06/2002 11:19:41 AM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: x
This is a rather forced analogy.

No, it is not.

We aren't in the position of Czechoslovakia in 1938, unable to defend ourselves from Hitler

Actually, the Czech's had the fourth largest army in Europe. They were very capable of defending themselves, but were told by the "diplomats" to stand down.

9 posted on 10/06/2002 8:21:13 PM PDT by Fenris6
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