New NJ Senate Absentee Ballots Mailed Out Today-SCOTUS Watch Thread

ABC News and the Newark Star Ledger ^ | October 7, 2002 | Mark Halperin

[tip of the sword]

Presumably, the SCOTUS Justices are aware of the State Supreme Court testimony that whatever ballots are going out the door need to be moving by Tuesday or Wednesday of this week, which suggests denial of cert, or the scheduling of some arguements, better happen pretty darn quick.

As the Newark Star Ledger reports, new absentee ballots are being sent out today, and since those ballots are now valid under New Jersey state law, the court would have to essentially have to declare them null and void, potentially disenfranchising a small portion of the electorate.

With two sets of ballots in play, the potential for mass confusion remains.

[tip of the sword]

The Rats were preparing 300 new ballots this Saturday (stuffing envelopes on a weekend more like it)

When was the last time anyone in state Government did anything on the weekend!

[steveegg]

It seems that David Souter dragged his feet long enough for the RATs to win. Damn it! Damn it! Damn it!

[tip of the sword]

Full details of the 900 ballot weekend Rat stuffing party in Essex Couty, NJ http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-4/1033895862127400.xml

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[Huck]

Looks like Lautenberg is in.

[Tree of Liberty]

What's going on with AG Ashcroft? He contacted the interested parties a few days ago asking them to show that the state's conduct in this matter does not run afoul of federal voting laws applicable to the military.

[tip of the sword]

Not if Souter boots his butt off the ballot! This doesn't even have to go to a formal arguement, the Justices can agree today and take his name right off..

[rhombus]

All Souter was doing when he asked for clarification was asking the Dems to write the SCOTUS response.

[tip of the sword]

ABC reported that Ashcroft could file an Amicus brief on behalf of the Government today with SCOTUS.

[MHGinTN]

With two sets of ballots in play, the potential for mass confusion remains. Precisely what the despotic democrat party had planned, chaos, mayhem, confusion, and cheating with democrat controlled court approval.

[Teacher317]

"When a judge is going to issue a stay of a lower-court order, it usually happens very quickly," Siegel said.

Richard Perr, an adjunct professor at Rutgers Law School in Camden, said, "The longer it goes, the greater the likelihood that the Supreme Court may not even take it."

:^(

[steveegg]

Souter? Boot a fellow DemonRAT off a ballot when said RAT has reversed the fortunes of the local party? Do so after the RATs took a lesson of 2000 to heart and made sure that their new guy went out on the "revised" ballots? I don't think so.

[tip of the sword]

I don't think it took them this long on Bush v. Gore..

[steveegg]

Somewhat agree. What he did was stall for enough time for the "revised" ballots to go out and create the proverbial "reality on the ground" that would preclude SCOTUS from delivering the well-deserved smackdown.

[steveegg]

It's apparently too late now (thanks a lot Bush41 and Souter).

[tip of the sword]

Was Souter the 'duty judge' back in 2000 to decide whether to take the cases or not?

[Tree of Liberty]

Thanks for the report. Does anyone know what powers the AG has under the Voter Rights Act to prevent the new ballots from being distributed?

[freedomcrusader]

And don't forget the idiot in Vermont who made Souetr possible - Sununu is his name.

[twyn1]

One of the arguments that the 2nd Republican lawyer brought up was this confusion and very REAL possibility of some "funny business" with counting the ballots, it was suggested that absentee ballots will be "delayed" and not counted until well after the election results...(as in "gee Lautenberg still needs 600 votes to pull it off...oh lookee here...I JUST FOUND all these absentee ballots that we still have to count") The "Justices" could not imagine that something like that would EVER happen

[steveegg]

I think the "duty judge" in 2000 was Scalia (IIRC, each justice takes a region of the country). I do know that the "duty judge" for cases coming from New Jersey is Souter.

[tip of the sword]

This isn't over until last mail call at 12:00 AM EST tonight, when the ballots go out early Tuesday Morning.

We still have this afternoon for SCOTUS set this right!

[tip of the sword]

I believe the Voters Rights Act lawsuit was filed today in Disrict Court.

[steveegg]

Ah yes, John Sununu. Looks like his kid and Bob (which direction is the wind blowing today?) Smith are ready to hand over Smith's Senate seat to the RATs.

[Tree of Liberty]

Florida's in the 11th Circuit. Justice Kennedy has oversight there.

[mwl1]

not optimistic bump

[Tree of Liberty]

Scalia's in charge of the Fifth Circuit (Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi).

[VRWC_minion]

I don't believe the SC was asked to address the absentee ballots. I believe the absentee ballot issue went to an appeals court. The SC was asked to address the issue of the NJSC taking on the powers of the NJ legislature.

[steveegg]

This isn't over until last mail call at 12:00 AM EST tonight, when the ballots go out early Tuesday Morning. As a practical matter, the USPS starts sorting mail as soon as it's given to them. If they've already picked up a batch of fraudulent ballots (I'm done with the "revised" charade), then it will prove nigh impossible to pull them.

[MHGinTN]

Don't assume that the NJ subremes actually give a damn about democrat corruption. They are dependant on the democrats for their very existence, so they will look away at any corrutpion of the despotic democrats ... the subremes of NJ are already corrupted.

[tip of the sword]

Me too, but SCTOUS has to make a decision this afternoon or risk chaos breaking out.

[steveegg]

Thanks; I KNEW it wasn't a lieberal.

[chimera]

As the Newark Star Ledger reports, new absentee ballots are being sent out today, and since those ballots are now valid under New Jersey state law, the court would have to essentially have to declare them null and void, potentially disenfranchising a small portion of the electorate.

What's wrong with a little disenfranchisement here and there as long as it gets a 'Rat elected? After all, Lousyberg is so popular that those few ballots won't make a difference, just like the 600 or so on Florida didn't make a difference in 2000. (/sacrasm)

[Tree of Liberty]

What do you think'll happen?

[BJungNan]

What a mess. I think the Republicans should stay away from this one. This is going to be a big mess and anyone near it is going to catch the blame. What a mess.

[tip of the sword]

Knowing the Government Employee Rats in Essex County they will probably try and stuff the ballots all in the 5:00 PM mail call at the Main Post Office hoping that the SCOTUS doesn't rule in time.

Is Essex County where Tony Soprano lives?

[tip of the sword]

Not if SCOTUS wipes them off the ballot without a hearing today.

[steveegg]

Knowing the Government Employee Rats in Essex County they will probably try and stuff the ballots all in the 5:00 PM mail call at the Main Post Office hoping that the SCOTUS doesn't rule in time.

I doubt they'd wait until 5 pm. In fact, I'd be willing to wager that they got some in the mail prior to today just to ensure chaos.

Is Essex County where Tony Soprano lives?

Sounds familiar.

[tip of the sword]

Souter himself has the power to strike the ballot if he can get a majoirty to agree with him that they feel that the case would be wasting their time.

[freebilly]

So... these are the new rules of the game....

I recommend that Forrester wait for an independent poll to show he's behind by 10 or more points. Then he can resign, be taken off the ballot (legally, the precedent has now been set), and replaced by Rudy Giuliani.

Now many might say that Giuliani does not meet the NJ state residency requirement, but since the NJSC has seen fit to throw NJ law out the window in favor of the belief that voters deserve a "choice," then it can be legitimately argued that the substitution of Giuliani for Forrester on the ballot, regardless of NJ law, is just giving the voters of NJ a "choice" in the way that the substitution of Lautenberg for Toricelli, regardless of NJ law, was just giving NJ voters a "choice"....

This, of course, is but a modest proposal. A more immodest one involves suggestions of Civil Disobedience to ensure that our nation return to the rule of law and not men, but I will leave that suggestion for others to make....

[Coop]

Looks like his kid and Bob (which direction is the wind blowing today?) Smith are ready to hand over Smith's Senate seat to the RATs.

Based on what? I guess all those polls showing Sununu in the lead aren't convincing enough for you, huh?

[tip of the sword]

LOL! I bet there was an extended '3 Martini' 2 Hour lunch for all of the political pay off reciepents/ New Jersey State employees to go and deliver the fraudulent ballots in Essex County to meet the first Downtown Post Office morning mail call at 10-11 AM

[tip of the sword]

And the Amicus brief files with SCOTUS could be forwarded to other parties involved in the case as well.

[steveegg]

Quoting from the story linked to in reply 3:

Yesterday, workers at the Essex County Clerk's Office were busy stuffing envelopes with the Lautenberg ballots. More than 300 went out Friday.

Sure sounds like that some of those 300 ballots that went out Friday are already out of the custody of the USPS and thus physically can't be brought back to be destroyed. In any case, it'll be a real nightmare to try to clean up mess that the Jersey Supreme Idiots and the DemonRATs have dumped on us.

[tip of the sword]

Does the U.S. Post Office have the equipment or the organization to find and get rid of the fraudulent ballots in the Morning Mail Call if Souter singlehandedly strikes this down this afternoon??

I think this was the strategy all along, get the 2nd ballot in the mail and then create the media circus.

[Green]

Well.....now we will have 2 states being watched closely as the November election ballots are counted. New Jersey and Florida. I don't envy any of those poll workers.

[tip of the sword]

I think the 300 ballots Firday were just insurance against a quick ruling.

Wasn't Monday a no mail holiday so they cant get the ballots in today until 12:00 AM Tuesday Morning?

[Don'tMessWithTexas]

I believe that the Pubbies are already developing a stratefy for cutting their losses in NJ. I heard an interview with Sen. Grassley of Iowa. He mentioned that it is probable, if Toricelli's name is retained on the ballot, that the GOP will divert funds from Jersey to other races that would be more competitive. The reason is that the cost of ad buys in the Philly and NYC markets is so high that it would not be cost effective if the GOP candidate is not within the margin of error.

[mwl1]

The most disgraceful part of the whole thing is that the RATS know this was a corrupt, illegal decision, and they don't care.

The RATS reason that the country is strong enough to withstand perjury and obstruction of justice from the nation's chief law enforcement officer; having a presidential candidate actually sue his own country to become president; bilking of investor funds by corrupt corporate CEOs; and lawlessness and judicial overreach in a ballot-box bait and switch.

Sadly for us all, the RATS are wrong, yet again. This country is not that strong and cannot withstand dangerous legal precedents. Without the rule of law, and an unwritten allegiance to having free elections played by the established legal rules, we have nothing.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

It seems that David Souter dragged his feet long enough for the RATs to win. Damn it! Damn it! Damn it!

Souter: I'd LOVE to take the case, but the reprinted ballots have already been sent out.

Isn't it amazing how these socialist judges who never miss a chance to impose federal jurisdiction over state matters and basically crap all over the 10th amendment suddenly become state's rights advocates when the liberal agenda is at risk.

[steveegg]

I guess all those polls showing Sununu in the lead aren't convincing enough for you, huh?

Actually, they aren't. There's an active "write in Bob" campaign that is implicitly being encouraged by the "good" Senator himself. Indeed, in this (New Hampshire) Union Leader story, not only is the write-in campaign mentioned again, but a GOP poll is mentioned that shows the race as a dead-heat ("A national GOP poll has the three-term congressman in a flat-footed tie with three-term Democratic Gov. Jeanne Shaheen a month before Election Day in one of the most closely watched races in the country.")