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Fox News says Supreme Court Allows Lautenberg!

Posted on 10/07/2002 10:53:40 AM PDT by Howlin

It's done!


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: benny; corpse; election; forrester; gulla; lautenberg; nj; oldfart; oldman; senate
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To: Howlin
The rules have changed. For everyone.
441 posted on 10/07/2002 2:02:36 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Congressman Billybob
No apology is necessary from you to anyone. We value your mind and perspective.

First, we had a corrupt, abusive decision by the NJSC. Second, we had a mistaken decision by the USSC. My guess is that we had just three votes - Scalia, Rehnquist, and Thomas.

The USSC has the luxury of believing that all is well -- the system still works. If we lived in their cocoon, we might feel the same. They do not and cannot appreciate -- with the obvious exception of Clarence Thomas -- the ends to which these evil people on the left will go to advance their cause and retain power illegally.

This was a dark day. There is no escaping that, and no rationalizations that "it is now up to the voters of New Jersey" can wipe away the fact that the rule of law took a big hit.

I am a lot more worried about the integrity of the law than I am about one Senate seat.

442 posted on 10/07/2002 2:02:38 PM PDT by mwl1
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To: Howlin; All
Souter only heard the petition for an immediate stay. He did not rule on the cert petition to overrule the Supreme Court.

The order denying the stay reads, "The application for stay presented to Justice Souter and by him referred to the Court is denied."

Seeking a preliminary injuction is different than appealing a decision. The reality is, however, that in failing to grant the stay, it will be far more difficult to have the Court grant the Cert petition and overrule the Supreme Court.

For those of you interested, you should read the concurrence to Bush v. Gore by Scalia, Rehnquist, and Thomas. They found that Article 2, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution allowed only the State legislatures to set the "time, manner and Place" of a Presidential election. Accordingly, they would have found that the Florida Supreme Court had no business, at all, in changing the rules set forth by the legislature. Article 1, Section 4, has the exact same language, only it applies to Senators. Thus, one can logically conclude that thee are only three Justices willing to use the same rationale to overturn this decision. (3 obviously won't do it, and you need four just to grant the petition for Cert.) Accordingly, I think it is over, as there is no other Federal Question pending that would involve the Supreme Court, IMHO.

As most Freepers know, merely being really wrong does not get you to the U.S. Supreme Court. Absent a federal Question, or a disagreement between the States, the U.S. Supremes will not intervene.(Ironically, to do so would be judicial activism outside the bounds of the scope of the Court's authority, which isn't permitted even if it were to slap-down a renegade Court like New Jersey).

443 posted on 10/07/2002 2:04:15 PM PDT by Iron Eagle
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To: ELS
At every FReep of Lautenberg, there should be an old man in a wheel chair with an oxygen bottle, fast asleep, with a sign on his chest, "I voted against the Gulf War, and against the CIA -- or so they tell me."

Billybob

444 posted on 10/07/2002 2:04:25 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Howlin
Oh my God.

I truly can't believe this. R.I.P. America. Now you'll get the congressthings your betters select for you.

445 posted on 10/07/2002 2:04:54 PM PDT by Jonathon Spectre
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To: Miss Marple
I don't believe you. You are a disruptor.

They've been all over the place today. Probably some liberal arts community college class in Ithaca is down in the computer lab today.

446 posted on 10/07/2002 2:06:43 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: patriot_wes
Does anyone have the exact reading of the NJ law? "19:13-20. Vacancies among primary election nominees; procedure for filling

In the event of a vacancy, howsoever caused, among candidates nominated at primaries, which vacancy shall occur not later than the 51st day before the general election, or in the event of inability to select a candidate because of a tie vote at such primary, a candidate shall be selected in the following manner:"

Not exactly a model of well-written law, I must say. It seems to set out procedures to fill vacancies that occur prior to the 51st day, but doesn't actually forbid filling vacancies after that time. I believe that was one of grounds to the NJSC position, which compared it to similar but clearer language in NY that actually did forbid filling vacancies.

447 posted on 10/07/2002 2:07:28 PM PDT by LionelHutz
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To: patriot_wes
I knew I posted it somewhere, but here's a full repost:

19:13-18. In general

When a person so declines his nomination, or if a petition or certificate of nomination, or if any nomination, be insufficient or inoperative, or if a nominee shall die, or for any reason vacate his nomination, the vacancy so occasioned may be filled in the manner outlined in the succeeding sections.

(19:13-19 deals with a a nomination by petition, which does not apply)

19:13-20. Vacancy procedure

In the event of a vacancy, howsoever caused, among candidates nominated at primaries, which vacancy shall occur not later than the 51st day before the general election, or in the event of inability to select a candidate because of a tie vote at such primary, a candidate shall be selected in the following manner:

a. (1) In the case of an office to be filled by the voters of the entire State, the candidate shall be selected by the State committee of the political party wherein such vacancy has occurred....

b. (4) Whenever in accordance with the provisions of subsection a. of this section the State committee of a political party is empowered to select a candidate to fill a vacancy, it shall be the responsibility of the chairman of that State committee to give notice to each of the members of the committee of the date, time and place of the meeting at which the selection will be made, that meeting to be held at least one day following the date on which the notice is given....

d. A selection made pursuant to this section shall be made not later than the 48th day preceding the date of the general election, and a statement of such selection shall be filed with the Secretary of State or the appropriate county clerk, as the case may be, not later than said 48th day, and in the following manner:

(1) A selection made by a State committee of political party shall be certified to the Secretary of State by the State chairman of the political party....

448 posted on 10/07/2002 2:08:28 PM PDT by steveegg
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To: Congressman Billybob
The problem is, as it always was, the fact that we've not treated the judicial nomination process as the Dems have, and as a result, they've had us for lunch since the Bork hearings.

Yeah, we've won a few times, but far more often than not, we've lost. Why?

The fact is, the Dems have not been afraid to use judicial activism as a weapon. And they will not cease to do so, either.

We need to get into the judicial activism game, and do so with a vengeance. If we can take the Senate in 2002, we ought to ram the appointments through each week. Ten confirmations - just like that.

Boom, boom, boom.

The only weapon the Dems have then is the filibuster, and if they try to break it out, hammer them full-tilt for it.
449 posted on 10/07/2002 2:08:49 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: Howlin
You can't blame this on the lawyers. This little idea was hatched by the Democrat POLITICIANS.

My guess is that most dimo politicians at the state and federal level ARE lawyers. Another reason to despise them, as if we needed another. The party of evil strikes again. I thought I detected a disturbance in the force this morning. :O)

450 posted on 10/07/2002 2:08:58 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Congressman Billybob
No apologies are required of you. They ARE required of the Gnag of (at least) 6.
451 posted on 10/07/2002 2:10:43 PM PDT by steveegg
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
You're right about the plague of lawyers. As I say in my seventh book, we are sliding into (wrong verb, have slid into?) "government of the lawyers, by the lawyers and for the lawyers." It's not a pretty picture.

And unfortunately (or fortunately in my case) it's not yet legal to follow the advice of Shakespeare in Henry VII, "First, kill all the lawyers."

Did you hear that the National Institutes of Health have stopped experimenting on white rats? They're using lawyers for three reasons:

1. There's plenty of them.
2. You don't get emotionally attached to them.
3. There are sme things the rats won't do.

Congressman Billybob

Click for "Oedipus and the Democrats"

Click for "Til Death Do Us Part."

Click for "to Restore Trust in America"

452 posted on 10/07/2002 2:11:18 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Spiff
it did not qualify as a "civil war"

there are quite a few folks, who might disagree with you.
about it being a civil war... and the "peaceful" transition of power... heh heh...

Shows to what extent some folks will go, just to keep from admitting they were WRONG about CENTURIES of power being transferred... without violence.

We HAVE had peaceful transtions of power since the election and overthrow of jefferson davis and the south ... "without violence" but it has not been centuries. . . and our transition of power from England was not peaceful either. BUT, it has been BARELY two centuries... and if "at gunpoint" with hundreds of thousands of dead americans in Circa 1860 is not a civil war, and constitutes a "peaceful election and transition of power..." I will literally eat your hat.

Funny all these books I have on the history of the "civil war" are wrong... and YOU are right. It wasn't a Civil War after all. Priceless.
453 posted on 10/07/2002 2:11:40 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: I still care

YES! AND PRONTO!!!


454 posted on 10/07/2002 2:12:42 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: hchutch
If by some miracle we get the Senate back, first three nominations sent immediately to the floor will be Pickering, Owen and Estrada.

No judiciary committee... just an immediate discharge to the floor.

455 posted on 10/07/2002 2:12:49 PM PDT by mwl1
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To: Congressman Billybob
Ack, that should be ... the Gang of (at least 6).
456 posted on 10/07/2002 2:13:02 PM PDT by steveegg
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To: Congressman Billybob
Dear SCOTUS: Care to tell we the people what other pesky little laws we can bloody well just totally disregard whenever we feel the damn urge?!
457 posted on 10/07/2002 2:13:13 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Iron Eagle
That would be Article II, Section 1 ("Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.")
458 posted on 10/07/2002 2:15:48 PM PDT by steveegg
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To: RooRoobird14
Did anyone here really think the SCOTUS was going to intervene? I didn't. They're gun-shy after the 2000 Presidential election.

I don't think anoyone imagined 200+ years ago that the prestige of the court would be dragged into the mud by these gutter rats. You are correct, after the assault the SCOTUS (quite unfairly) received by the dims and their leftist sycophants in the media, they would not be in a hurry to bite into another dimocrat sh*t Soufflet. Which is precisely what these activists counted on.

459 posted on 10/07/2002 2:16:02 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Howlin

105th Congress Archive: Lautenberg Domestic Confiscation Law


460 posted on 10/07/2002 2:18:27 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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