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Fox News says Supreme Court Allows Lautenberg!

Posted on 10/07/2002 10:53:40 AM PDT by Howlin

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To: Congressman Billybob; PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
...we are sliding into (wrong verb, have slid into?) "government of the lawyers, by the lawyers and for the lawyers." It's not a pretty picture.

In view of that comment I was wondering if you had ever seen this old thread Lawyers Now Have Control of Nation Once Ruled by Law.

Your comments would be welcome there even now.

561 posted on 10/07/2002 6:50:12 PM PDT by Bigun
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To: Howlin
Supreme Court Rejects GOP - Lautenberg on NJ Senate Ballot

By Jeff McKay
CNSNews.com Correspondent
October 07, 2002

(CNSNews.com) - The U.S. Supreme Court Monday gave the go-ahead for New Jersey Democrats to replace Sen. Robert Torricelli on the November ballot with former Sen. Frank Lautenberg.

New Jersey Republicans had called the switch a political ploy intended to dump a candidate who seemed sure to lose - Torricelli -- in favor of a potential winner - Lautenberg. In fact, a new poll shows Lautenberg, the 78-year-old former three-term senator, leading Republican Doug Forrester 49 to 45 percent. Torricelli, plagued by an ethics scandal, had fallen behind Forrester by 13 points when he decided to quit his re-election bid.

Forrester has other problems revealed in the latest Quinnipiac poll. Although the survey's margin of error shows the race to be a dead heat, Forrester's approval rating is mired at 27 percent and he has lost ground with New Jersey's important Independent vote.

"The whole Torricelli mess has made Forrester better known," said Clay Richards, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. "But his (Forrester) negatives have gone up. He has lost ground with Independents and 31 percent of voters say he is too conservative for New Jersey."

The poll also showed that one in three voters believe they could not vote for Lautenberg based upon the Democratic switch in candidates.

The New Jersey Supreme Court last week ruled 7-0 that Democrats did have the right to replace Torricelli as long as they paid the $800,000 for reprinting absentee ballots. All of New Jersey's 21 counties are reprinting all ballots to reflect the Democratic change.

The GOP had asked the U.S. Supreme Court to overrule the state court, arguing that the ballot switch had occurred too close to Election Day and basing part of its complaint on the approximately 1,700 voters who had already been mailed absentee ballots bearing Torricelli's name. Many of those ballots were sent overseas to residents living abroad or to military personnel serving in the war on terrorism.

The U.S. Supreme Court did not explain its reasons for refusing to be drawn into another election controversy. Supreme Court justices halted the vote recount in Florida in 2000, assuring that George Bush would win the presidency over Al Gore.

"This is a sad day that concludes yet another troubling chapter in the long history of embarrassment and disgrace the Torricelli-Lautenberg machine has inflicted on the people of New Jersey," said New Jersey Republican Party Chairman Joe Kyrillos.

"This underhanded maneuvering has set a disturbing new precedent that says only in New Jersey can a political party disregard the law and switch candidates in the middle of an election, simply because they don't like the odds," Kyrillos added.

The Lautenberg camp says now is the time to cease the rhetoric and discuss the issues.

"The United States Supreme Court today affirmed the wisdom of the New Jersey Supreme Court and assured New Jersey voters a fair election," stated Lautenberg. "My opponent has spent his entire campaign ducking from a discussion of the issues that affect New Jersey's families."

The National Republican Senatorial Committee also plans to ask the Federal Election Commission to bar Torricelli from giving his multi-million dollar campaign war chest to the party or to Lautenberg.

562 posted on 10/07/2002 7:03:39 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: steveegg
If Lautenberg is an "illegal" (or maybe, more properly, and "extralegal" candidate), then the "winner" if the election is the legal candidate with the most votes. The governor of New Jersey would have no opportunity to appoint someone else.
563 posted on 10/07/2002 7:08:47 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: hchutch
Well, a cheerleader with a spine of spaghetti would not fill the bill!
564 posted on 10/07/2002 7:11:02 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
It's all in the "tender loving hands" of the Senate (at least once the election is held).
565 posted on 10/07/2002 7:12:16 PM PDT by steveegg
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Thanks for the heads up!
566 posted on 10/07/2002 7:23:14 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: sam_paine
'Splain it to me again how this is a "victory for states' rights" when the NJ Supreme Court gets to make law out of whole cloth.
I thought that, somewhere along there, states' rights involved their adhering to the law. Or is "states' rights" only allowed when the rule of law is flouted and courts make law as they see fit?
Like the federal judges have been doing since the time of Orville Faubus.
567 posted on 10/07/2002 7:30:35 PM PDT by Redbob
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To: Howlin
DISGUSTING DESPICABLE DECISION!
568 posted on 10/07/2002 7:32:11 PM PDT by KLT
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To: ELS
Thanks ELS.

The Supremos is great. Sent it out to friends lib and conserv alike.

Let me know when we march on Trenton!

569 posted on 10/07/2002 7:36:17 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: Howlin
Another incrimental step backwards.
570 posted on 10/07/2002 7:40:40 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Howlin
Mark Levin, aka The Great One, said there wasn't any legal basis for the Federal Supreme Court to rule on a state election. I was hoping he was wrong, but of course he wasn't.

Now, if U.S. Senators get any federal perqs, then the question should be revisited.
571 posted on 10/07/2002 7:40:44 PM PDT by skr
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To: Congressman Billybob
LOL! You're on a roll. Two excellent FReeping ideas. Thanks.
572 posted on 10/07/2002 8:09:38 PM PDT by ELS
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To: skr
Perhaps SCOTUS declined to take it on the assumption that the other Fed court (the one where the Army Doc who already voted sued) is going to take it and rule against the Dems.
573 posted on 10/07/2002 8:31:53 PM PDT by Krafty123
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To: LS
Levin and the Judge looked at the issue from the legal sense, as lawyers, trained in a manner of thinking. But as a citizen, I look at the issue from a common sense perspective and I see a "Constitutional" issue.

And that issue is that in a representative form of democracy, the health of that democracy can be measured by the quality of the people elected. Free, fair, and honest elections are the touchstone of our form of government. To the degree that we conduct elections like Mexico, Zimbabwe, or some other third world country, with last minute candidates, politically "devined" votes, and crooked deviant politicians, our democracy is diminished.

There have always been, and will always be, those who wish to rig the system in the effort to obtain or hold power. Those who do make a mockery of the Constitution and the principles laid out in the Preamble of the Constitution.

We have twice before (1776-77 with the Declaration of Independence and the Articles of Confederation, and; 1787 with the Constitution) established a form of national government based on certain basic principles. Read the words:

"Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such priciples, and organizing its powers in such a form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

574 posted on 10/07/2002 9:33:03 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: Congressman Billybob
It is over for this country. We will now proceeded to a socialist dictatorship. It has been happening for some time now. The democrats and Republicans alike are involved in the destruction of our republic. The examples of our demise are just to numerous to list. The total lack of respect for the constitution and the rule of law are rampant among both party's. And they stretch to the highest court in the land. The patriot act is one of the clearest examples of how far we have fallen down. This NJSC, and USSC decision just shows the the final protections to law and justice have been eliminated. But the most hopeless thing of all is the total lack of interest or concern by the average Joe in American society.
It is obvious now to me at least. We will continue to decline very quickly. Freedom will soon be a memory at best. We will all be slaves to a corrupt government...we will live in fear of them. And no one will act until and unless things become so bad that people are willing to revolt as they did in the forming of our country. As it is now we no longer have control. We have only the illusion of it. Our candidates are chosen by those who have the money to support them. And evil abounds in those who pick the candidates to run for election. I will no longer choose among the lesser of 2 evils. If I am not totally convinced that there is good man running then I will not vote at all. For the writing is on the wall. Until there are a million people standing in the streets demanding an end to this corruption and the removal of those who are perpetrating it...Until then...all hope is lost from me.
575 posted on 10/07/2002 9:33:27 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Howlin
Can you say, CAN OF WORMS? That is exactly what they just opened..
576 posted on 10/07/2002 9:36:26 PM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: evad
It's official..we are no longer ruled by law. We are a nation ruled by the individual/democrats.
577 posted on 10/07/2002 9:43:00 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: capitan_refugio
Now that's a something most of us hadn't thought of. Still, it requires a real majority in the Senate and lacking that we're still screwed on this issue. And politics which likely foreclosed SCOTUS action on this issue would also likely pre-empt action by a Republican majority in the Senate.

In any event, in your scenario, we regain the Senate regardless whether Lautenberg gains the seat and I could live with that.

578 posted on 10/07/2002 11:10:12 PM PDT by fire and forget
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To: concerned about politics
States that are borderline can have Conservative courts to swing for them, without repercussion. Just point to "The NJ ethics."

I have more faith in the Americans who live in New Jersey. The current poll that has Lautenberg leading the Senate race also states that one out of five NJ pollees who said that the events leading to Lautenberg's place on the ballot were "unethical" were going to vote for him anyway.

Those people will vote GOP or opt out. If they have the integrity and conscience to know about this scam, and think it is "unfair" or "dishonest" ... they won't vote for Lautenberg in the privacy of the booth even though they tell the survey interrogator otherwise. They see, acknowledge and state the fraud. I have faith they won't vote for that cynical and empty skeletor who's replacing that cynical and empty mobster.

Why? The understanding of unfairness trumps the desire to elect another democrat. There are 35% of the NJ electorate who do NOT view this dirty trick outrage as unfair or outrageous. They are irredeemable. They are Dems.

The GOP needs to find and nurture that 10% of our electorate who vote Dem out of stupid legacy or custom. They're hated, oppressed and generally getting jobbed by the Dems, and they need to be told.

579 posted on 10/07/2002 11:16:00 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Texas Mom
The Dems are in BIG BIG trouble to green-light this plan.

The media is trying 24X7, they are manipulating as they can, but they can't change the dialogue. The major networks stuffed the Bush speech tonight because they understand that a focus on war and peace issues will deliver a GOP Senate. It will display our President as an honest, wise and inspired leader. They are pulling out the stops, to the point of NOT covering news events that have the outcome of uniting Americans. No unified America is permissable under a Republican leader.

But they are losing. Those among us unemployed want to be hired again, by corporations, as professionals making nice incomes and enjoying strong benefits. Old folks don't believe George W. Bush would disenfranchise, starve and enslave them. Lautenberg will be defeated on game day. Harkin may lose too.

580 posted on 10/07/2002 11:31:51 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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