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'Most muggers are black'
The Evening Standard (London) ^ | 11 October 2002 | Tim Rider

Posted on 10/11/2002 6:37:12 AM PDT by UKCajun

The deputy head of the Metropolitan Police has launched an attack on political correctness, saying that society cannot ignore the evidence that most muggers are black.

...Mr Blair pointed to the American example set by the Reverend Jesse Jackson, the former US presidential candidate. "We need a Jesse Jackson," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at thisislondon.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: crime; gangs; jessejackson; pc; police; race
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Expect a swirl of convtoversy surrounding this from the PC crowd in London. Mr. Blair (Ian) really needs to acquaint himself with the reality of Jesse Jackson. If after that he is still keen, he should invite Jackson to move to London. On second thought--forget the move to London.
1 posted on 10/11/2002 6:37:12 AM PDT by UKCajun
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To: UKCajun
he should invite Jackson to move to London

I would chip in for a one-way ticket.

2 posted on 10/11/2002 6:38:55 AM PDT by apackof2
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To: UKCajun
Well if The Brits need a man like Jesse Jackson we will be most happy to GIVE HIM JESSE JACKSON!! And you know what we will throw in Al Sharpton to boot. Aren't we Americans generous?
3 posted on 10/11/2002 6:40:24 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: apackof2
Ahem...let's forget the suggested move, thanks.
4 posted on 10/11/2002 6:40:27 AM PDT by UKCajun
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To: areafiftyone
Have pity on your fellow expat Americans pleaseeeeeeeee....
5 posted on 10/11/2002 6:41:30 AM PDT by UKCajun
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To: apackof2
>I would chip in for a one-way ticket.

Heck, if he'd stay permanently, I'm good for the total amount myself.
6 posted on 10/11/2002 6:46:27 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: UKCajun
LOL. Blair better watch it - he may just get what he asks for. Jesse is not afraid of travel (although he prefers enemy territory). ;-)
7 posted on 10/11/2002 6:47:09 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: UKCajun
"We need a Jesse Jackson," he said.

Take ours. Please.

8 posted on 10/11/2002 6:49:23 AM PDT by CaptRon
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To: UKCajun
Where did Blair get the idea that Jesse Jackson solved any crime or black youth problem? Also does he really think that the Black people in this country really believe that Jesse Jackson is relevant? He has been protesting and preaching for years and hasn't made a dent in stopping Black crime. Actually he is always sticking up for the worst of the bunch. Most Black people I know think Jesse is a hypocrite.
9 posted on 10/11/2002 6:52:10 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: UKCajun
A couple of years ago, when I stated that the number of violent crimes committed by blacks against both whitee and blacks was far, far, out of proportion their numbers, I was attacked mercilessly by some of the PC police here for daring to state a fact that most of us already know. (Yes, they ARE here, just not to the extent of other boards.)

When I posted a very comprehensive Dept of Justice page proving my point complete with charts, graphs, and links, the silence was deafening.

FYI, almost half of all violent crimes are committed by blacks. And most of their victims are other blacks.
10 posted on 10/11/2002 6:52:11 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Rufus B. Washington
Blacks were 50 times more likely to commit violent crimes against whites than whites against blacks

But that glosses over most crime isn't interracial. People do it to their own mostly. Whites kill/rob/rape whites, blacks kill/rob/rape blacks, asians kill/rob/rape asians, etc, etc, ...

13 posted on 10/11/2002 7:01:45 AM PDT by Sinner6
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To: Happygal
H1??
Better be on the lookout!!
Be at the ready to sound the clarion call to your Irish compatriots *something's* going around in jolly ol' England, among the Liberal-Socialists.

I mean just look at whose name (the hapless) Blair's evoking!
If this isn't a textbook case of, Liberitis-Rationalitis, I don't know what is.

...highly contagious, this (form of) Rationalitis, y'know. ;^)

15 posted on 10/11/2002 7:06:05 AM PDT by Landru
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To: UKCajun
Does this guy realize that J.J. is a mugger, just without a gun?
16 posted on 10/11/2002 7:13:35 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: areafiftyone
Several years ago, perhaps when he was running for president, Jesse Jackson made a widely publicized comment that even he, when he walked down the street at night and heard someone walking up behind him, was relieved when he saw the person was white.

Undoubtedly, that comment is what Blair has in mind when he praises Jackson.

17 posted on 10/11/2002 7:20:04 AM PDT by CatoRenasci
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The claim by the author really needs to be put in perspective. The author fails to point out the black population in London (and the UK generally) is miniscule. Thus, a tiny portion of the population is responsible for a whopping 63% of the muggings. In New Orleans, where the black population approaches 80%, one would not be so surprised by this figure. I think Londoners need to insist on an "equal mugging opportunity" program.
18 posted on 10/11/2002 7:20:19 AM PDT by UKCajun
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Thank you, but what's the purpose of that information?

If you pull up statistics showing black vs. white crime rates as a way of demonstrating how the relative poverty, lack of educational attainment, frequent idealization of the "gangster" lifestyle, etc. among black Americans raises crime rates, that's one thing. But if you just publish statistics in order to attack folks just on account of their skin color, maybe you've found the wrong forum.

19 posted on 10/11/2002 7:24:28 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: apackof2
" I would chip in for a one-way ticket."

I will PAY for a first class ticket on the Concord !
20 posted on 10/11/2002 7:26:26 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: UKCajun
'Most muggers are black'

I wouldn't doubt it...

And I also wouldn't doubt that most serial killers are white.

21 posted on 10/11/2002 7:26:39 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Rye
No question about it.
22 posted on 10/11/2002 7:29:52 AM PDT by UKCajun
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To: UKCajun
Here here! I say we begin a foreign exchange program. We exchange 10 of our muggers for every one of England's muggers.
23 posted on 10/11/2002 7:30:33 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: UKCajun
Mr Blair pointed to the American example set by the Reverend Jesse Jackson, the former US presidential candidate. "We need a Jesse Jackson,"

I was with ya 'till here, constable.

24 posted on 10/11/2002 7:30:40 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: UKCajun
The Color of Crime
25 posted on 10/11/2002 7:32:44 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Enterprise
Do you think there would be fewer muggings if the muggers thought the victims might be packing heat?
26 posted on 10/11/2002 7:32:46 AM PDT by UKCajun
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Thanks for the link. Interesting read.
28 posted on 10/11/2002 7:36:51 AM PDT by UKCajun
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"A couple of years ago, when I stated that the number of violent crimes committed by blacks against both whitee and blacks was far, far, out of proportion their numbers, I was attacked mercilessly by some of the PC police here for daring to state a fact that most of us already know. (Yes, they ARE here, just not to the extent of other boards.)"

ATTACKED!.........
(hand to face) Why!, Why!... there must be some RINOS out here..

29 posted on 10/11/2002 7:37:57 AM PDT by hosepipe
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To: Rufus B. Washington
One may interpret facts one wishes, but it seems a stretch to claim that supplying facts relevant to a topic are in any way attacking folks on account of their skin color.

I disagree. There are facts not worth knowing, facts that don't solve or enlighten any problems, the dissemination of which does nothing but enhance discord between peoples. Knowledge is a means, not an end.

32 posted on 10/11/2002 7:46:15 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: Rufus B. Washington
Only fools and liberals think that poverty causes crime.

Don't be stupid. Poverty isn't THE cause of crime, but only a fool would say it isn't one of several contributing factors. I don't pretend that culture isn't at least as signficiant. But if you're rich, you're not going to mug a pedestrian for $20.

34 posted on 10/11/2002 7:50:28 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
First, look at the title of this thread. Second, poverty and lack of education doesn't cause crime rates to go up and cannot account for the fact that blacks commit violent crimes 50 times more than other races (when adjusted for proportion to population). Third, there is a REAL problem in the black community (illegitimacy) that is exacerbated by drug use, government handouts, and especially other blacks who simply cannot stand to see someone make it out of the 'hood. Many politicians also need to keep blacks poor, uneducated, and dependent on the government as their power base. If a credible person had brought up Farrakan's "Day of Atonement" idea, it might have worked. All it ever was to Farrakan was a chance to grab some headlines, money, and power.
35 posted on 10/11/2002 8:01:05 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: UKCajun
Shriek! Racism!
37 posted on 10/11/2002 8:08:46 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Second, poverty and lack of education doesn't cause crime rates to go up and cannot account for the fact that blacks commit violent crimes 50 times more than other races (when adjusted for proportion to population).

Poverty and lack of education do cause crime rates to rise. But maybe not as signficantly as the presence of a culture that tolerates and even glorifies crime. A large percentage of the US black population suffers from all three traits. I don't think its any secret that poor white (or black or Hispanic or whatever) neighborhoods tend to have more crime than rich white (etc.) neighborhoods.

Third, there is a REAL problem in the black community (illegitimacy) that is exacerbated by drug use, government handouts, and especially other blacks who simply cannot stand to see someone make it out of the 'hood.

Were you expecting me to argue with that statement? I couldn't agree more.

38 posted on 10/11/2002 8:11:31 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: Rufus B. Washington
You're a veritable Pandora.
39 posted on 10/11/2002 8:12:10 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card; Blood of Tyrants
No, he is in the correct forum. Honest facts harm no one.


Stay safe; stay armed.


40 posted on 10/11/2002 8:12:31 AM PDT by Eaker
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To: pabianice
I was surprised (mildly shocked) to see the article. Racism is blamed for just about everything in the UK. It's just a matter of time when the statistics will be too.
41 posted on 10/11/2002 8:15:34 AM PDT by UKCajun
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To: andy_card
neighborhoods tend to have more crime than rich white (etc.) neighborhoods.

You have it backwards. Rich neighborhoods are created by people that are honest and hard working; people that would not mug someone simply because they themselves are failures.

The Blacks that live in my neighborhood are not muggers and would be appalled by your statement.


Stay safe; stay armed.


42 posted on 10/11/2002 8:21:45 AM PDT by Eaker
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To: Eaker
You have it backwards. Rich neighborhoods are created by people that are honest and hard working; people that would not mug someone simply because they themselves are failures.

There are delinquents in every neighborhood. Many of the kids in my neighborhood (median home price = $1.8 million) are as dishonest and lazy as those you'll find in the poorest slums. But their parents are rich, so they don't go around robbing folks for $20. I agree that culture is very important. But so is poverty.

43 posted on 10/11/2002 8:25:41 AM PDT by andy_card
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44 posted on 10/11/2002 8:30:15 AM PDT by mhking
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To: andy_card
My grandmother used to tell me, "Being poor is not an excuse for being a criminal". She's right!
45 posted on 10/11/2002 8:33:19 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: andy_card
My grandmother once told me, "Being poor is not an excuse for being a criminal". I think she's right!
46 posted on 10/11/2002 8:34:12 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: andy_card
My grandmother once told me, "Being poor is not an excuse for being a criminal". I think she's right!
47 posted on 10/11/2002 8:34:15 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: andy_card
"There are facts not worth knowing"....

Speak for yourself, please. There are quite a few who'd rather withold those kind of statistics, I'm quite certain. Here's another fact you probably don't want to know -- Hispanics are "white" when they commit a crime -- but Hispanic when they are a victim of crime. Neat, huh? If anything, obfuscation of the reality of crime causes discord -- there's a profound disconnect with what is reported in the media -- and taught in schools -- compared with the truth.

48 posted on 10/11/2002 8:44:55 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Dark Wing
ping
49 posted on 10/11/2002 8:46:21 AM PDT by Thud
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To: Rufus B. Washington
Personally, a stronger argument could be made that crime causes poverty. Once criminal activity reaches a critical mass of sorts, then legitimate businesses leave, since they cannot afford to be robbed on a regular basis, insurance premiums become prohibitive if not outright unobtainable. Decent families and citizens with the means to do so leave at the earliest opportunity.
50 posted on 10/11/2002 8:48:19 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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