Congressmen pick up pace of OKC bombing probe --Burton Sends Subpoena to Secretary of the Navy

Indianapolis Star ^ | 10/12/02 | James Patterson

[glorygirl]

Indiana congressman Dan Burton, as chairman of the House of Representatives Committee on Government Reform, continues to push for an explanation of allegations that foreigners were involved in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

"The more, the merrier," said Burton when told of Specter's letter. "I think there ought to be senators as well as House members looking at this. We're checking everything out. We have sent a letter to the Navy to get a copy of that video that was supposedly seen by the policeman in Oklahoma City that showed John Doe No. 2 getting out of the truck."

[glorygirl]

BIG ping

[backhoe]

Well, well, well... it's starting to heat up again. Perhaps the heat will lead to a little light being shed on this dark artifact from The Decade of Fraud(s)...

[glorygirl]

Well, it sounds like a big deal to me. We suddenly have two republicans in Congress on the trail. Bush's way of getting back at Clinton for all those comments a few weeks ago.

[glorygirl]

"The more, the merrier," said Burton when told of Specter's letter "I think there ought to be senators as well as House members looking at this. We're checking everything out."

You got that right, Dan. Not to mention a grand jury.

[Lion's Cub]

Thanks for the ping.

I, too, would like to know what DIA and the Navy have. I don't feel like looking back through my notes, but I know they lost enough people in that bombing to have really p*ssed them off. Their records might be very revealing.

[backhoe]

"The more, the merrier," said Burton

My thoughts exactly- it will raise this higher into the public's awareness, and that's what needs doing.

[mewzilla]

Wonder if all the pols who voted against the Iraq resolution would be willing to make a guarantee to their constituents that Saddamn had nothing to do with the OKC bombing...

[the crow]

fyi bump. hope this gets somewhere.

[backhoe]

Wonder if all the pols who voted against the Iraq resolution would be willing to make a guarantee to their constituents that Saddamn had nothing to do with the OKC bombing...

I'd love to see that...

[reformed_democrat]

Well, it sounds like a big deal to me. We suddenly have two republicans in Congress on the trail.

You're right. This is a big deal.

When President Bush took office, I was disappointed that he declined to go after the Clintons for destroying government property, stealing from the White House, handing out pardons like Snickers Minis at Halloween, and all the petty BS they pulled and continue to pull.

Had he done that, we'd have had another Lewinsky. Focusing on small stuff while the big stuff got overlooked in the "It's all about sex" frenzy. Only this time, it would have been "Bush the unelected is trying to make a name for himself at the expense of our beloved Bil'n'Hil."

The Clintons will not have the opportunity to howl that they're being persecuted by President Bush. He hasn't touched them (not that any self-respecting Republican would want to with anything shorter than a ten-foot pole), hasn't called their actions into question, and has let them make fools of themselves with their own rhetoric.

The vote fraud investigation in South Dakota and this will prove to be much bigger than Pardongate, Pursegate, or Zippergate.

I think I'll stock up on munchies. I have a feeling I'll be spending a lot of time on FR following the stories.

[taxed2death]

I think it would be interesting to see if there IS a proven link to OKC bombing. Certainly, any currently sitting head of CIA, or FBI SHOULD have been briefed about the link.

Then one would assume our fearless Commander in Chief would have been notified.

Perhaps if Bush had come out and demonstrated to the American People there WAS a link between Saddam and the OKC bombing, he might have had an easier time getting approval. Very interesting to see how this pans out.

Perhaps Bush has kept a lid on this knowkedge of the OKC bombing to keep the Democrats at bay about the Bush family being partners, still to this day, with the Bin Ladin family.

One hand washes the other.

This is just pure speculation, of course, on my part ;)

[uncbob]

Let's see if the Bush DOJ continues to cover for the SLICKSTERS administration

I wouldn't be too optimistic on results
This administration doesn't have the gonads to go after all the Clinton corruption ( for the good of the nation let's put it behind us naturally)

Sad but that's the way I see it

[fone]

>>>about the Bush family being partners, still to this day, with the Bin Ladin family. <<<

I've heard that before...

[glorygirl]

Just a reminder that Specter is supposedly going to be on Fox at noon today with Tony Snow to discuss all this. Don't know how the interview will be...guess we'll have to start a thread for that one, too.

[fone]

>>>• Burton sent a subpoena to the Secretary of the Navy seeking video and still camera shots of the Oklahoma City federal building on the day of the bombing.<<

Why do I get the feeling that these pictures will be, um, "lost?"

[lentulusgracchus]

I think you're right. Mind if I pull up a chair?

Would love to see Bush finally get p*ssed enough at DIRTXPOTUS to start throwing Hillary's china. (If I'd been Bush 43, I'd have had her china ritually broken at the curb on Inauguration Day, all the furniture, carpets and drapes dragged out, Kennedy's desk sent to GSA for auction, and five priests from every religion come and ritually cleanse the place, with or without holy water, before I moved in, if it took a week of staying at Blair House.)

Someone needs to rain hard on Slick's calculations for Beast's future career.

That comment about the reporter's being some kind of heroine was verrrry interesting.

But wasn't OKCSubmariner banned for being a foil-hatter? What's that about?

[lentulusgracchus]

If the Bin Ladens are as connected as I've heard on TV, and if there are anywhere near as many of them with as much money as the newsies have been talking about, the Bin Laden family is probably in every other investment vehicle in North America. Heck, they're probably in two or three of my bond funds.

[logician2u]

Wonder if all the pols who voted against the Iraq resolution would be willing to make a guarantee to their constituents that Saddamn had nothing to do with the OKC bombing...

You seem to be implying that if (a) one of the accomplices in the bombing was Iraqi, therefore (b) he was working for Saddam Hussein.

By that reasoning, one could also conclude that Nichols and McVeigh were working for Bill Clinton (in fact, some have!).

Let's first determine whether John Doe 2 is who Jayna Davis alleges, then proceed to the next step of finding out what his motives were. Considering that in both trials the prosecution was so intent on a conviction that they zeroed in on the means to exclusion of motive, there are still many unanswered questions even about McVeigh's connections.

A person's nationality is a poor indicator of his political leanings.

[Lockbox]

Maybe this is why the Office of Naval Intelligence was investigating.....

Marines injured, missing in Oklahoma City bombing

8TH MARINE CORPS DISTRICT HEADQUARTERS, New Orleans (NWSA)

-- Four Marines and one DOD civilian were injured, and two remain missing following an explosion April 19 that destroyed part of a federal office building in downtown Oklahoma City, Okla.

Injured are Gunnery Sgt. Earl A. Bussell, 38, of Council Bluffs, Iowa; Gunnery Sgt. Paul K. Cooper, 35, of Howard, Wis.; civilian Barbara J. Hedrick, 32, of Oklahoma City; Staff Sgt. Jack R. Joscing, 30, of Chattanooga, Tenn.; and Marine Capt. Michael R. Norfleet, 29, of Richmond, Va.

Missing are Sgt. Benjamin L. Davis, 29, of Oklahoma City; and Marine Capt. Randolph A. Guzman, 28, of Castro Valley, Calif. The personnel were assigned to U.S. Marine Corps Recruiting Station (RS) Oklahoma City, located on the sixth floor of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building at 200 N.W. 5th Street, which suffered extensive damage from a bomb explosion at approximately 9 a.m. (CDT).

The recruiting station has been located in the federal building since April 1977. It served as the headquarters for more than 50 Marine recruiters and officer-selection officers throughout the state of Oklahoma and the southern half of Kansas. In FY94 RS Oklahoma City processed more than 800 applications for enlistment into the Marine Corps.

Federal authorities are investigating the cause of the explosion.

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also found the following story interesting

March 29 - April 4, 2002

Mondo Washington: Manila Enveloped in Oklahoma Bombing Case
by James Ridgeway

Fourteen survivors and victims of the Oklahoma City bombing in April 1995 filed suit against Iraq in federal district court in Washington, D.C., last week, claiming that Iraqi officials gave money and training to Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols. McVeigh was executed last April; Nichols, convicted of manslaughter and given a life sentence in federal court, is awaiting trial in Oklahoma state court, where survivors are determined he get a death sentence.

Nearly a year after McVeigh’s execution, the case remains controversial. Families of victims have accused the federal government of shoddy detective work, and some even have claimed that government dicks knew from the git-go about the bombing but did nothing to prevent it, then tried to cover their asses by hiding information after the blast.

Immediately after the bombing, federal lawmen focused on possible Middle Eastern terrorists, and Stephen Jones, McVeigh’s trial attorney, said in his book Others Unknown that his client was a patsy of Middle East interests. Others have long insisted that the mysterious "John Doe No. 2" came from somewhere in the Middle East and that two accomplices seen with McVeigh before the blast looked dark and could have been Arabs.

Jones even speculated on the possibility that Nichols was involved at some level with Osama bin Laden.

Jones’s theory goes like this: in the 1990s, Nichols made several trips to the Philippines, once for as long as six months. Nichols always said he spent the time trying to turn up "business opportunities."

In the Philippines, Jones met with an official of an intelligence service who was known only as "the Director," who coyly put him on to a guy in jail. There, Jones found Edwin Angeles, a supposed cohort of Ramzi Yousef, being held in protective custody by the Filipino police. At first, Angeles wouldn’t talk, but he eventually told police in a filmed interview that he had been at a meeting in the early 1990s in Davao, on Mindanao, where he met an American who called himself "the Farmer." Angeles produced a sketch that resembled Nichols. Also at this meeting were Ramzi Yousef, Yousef’s friend Abdul Hakim Muradand, and a man called Wali Khan Amin Shah. Angeles said in a statement that the group had discussed bombing activities, providing firearms, ammunition and training in making and handling bombs. All three were subsequently convicted of a plot to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners.

Shortly after the Oklahoma City bombing, the feds investigated Nichols’ activities in the Philippines, but his ties to the Middle East were never proven. Judge Richard Matsch didn’t allow Jones to introduce his Middle Eastern foray into evidence, and there the matter rested until Sept. 11 got everybody thinking again.