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To: jimtorr
Islamists, including the ones who have attacked us, say that their ultimate goal is to create an Islamic state in the USA by whatever means come to hand. We know that the preferred method of the Islamists is violence, terrorism and war.

The prefered method of the state (generic)is violence and war (by definition I don't think it can be terrorism). All one has to do is look around at the history of the last century to see the landscape littered with the bodies of millions upon millions of prople needlessly put to death by the ambitions of the various states, be it Germany, Russia, Japan, whatever.

Yes, I am a Libertarian, and I'm proud of it. But I'm not knee-jerk, my friend. I just see it differently.

And I don't think in this case that the "state" is acting in the best interests of the American people.

42 posted on 10/13/2002 9:15:24 AM PDT by Beenliedto
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To: Beenliedto
The prefered method of the state (generic)is violence and war.....

No, I don't think that you can be generic in that fashion. When was the last time the USA started a war? No, Afghanistan, Desert Storm, Viet Nam and Korea don't count. They were all reaction to attacks or terrorism against the US or allies. Okay, I'll give you Grenada, perhaps, and Panama, maybe.

When was the last time Sweden started a war?

........(by definition I don't think it can be terrorism).

One call's it terrorism when a state uses terrorist methods. The present actions of Iraq come to mind, along with N. Korea, Indonesia, Albania, Syria, Lybia, Cuba, the Soviet Union, the PRC, etc., etc.

I call it knee-jerk libertarianism whenever someone says that every international activity of the US govt. is only about money. I even accuse my democratic friends of being libertarians. You can imagine their offense at that.

51 posted on 10/13/2002 9:43:08 AM PDT by jimtorr
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