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To: Dog; RedsHunter
I would believe that, however, a poster brought up a valid point against this being muslims:

On this thread (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/768449/posts), RedsHunter said:

The one thing in particular makes me think that it's not Al Qaeda terrorists are not doing the shooting ... the Tarot card supposedly left behind at one scene. Two things about it ... as I understand it, no self-respecting Mooselem would touch or look at, or even write upon, a graven image of God, let alone write on it in manner so to present himself as a God to others, even his infidel prey.

His point is credible. As I do not know the Koran well enough, I do not know if it would permit a muslim to go against is sacred teachings of doing such a thing with tarot cards.

16 posted on 10/13/2002 2:08:40 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
As I do not know the Koran well enough,
I do not know if it would permit a muslim to go
against his sacred teachings of doing such a thing with tarot cards.


Tarot cards were brought to Europe by the Arabs,
and are still very popular in some moslem countries.
20 posted on 10/13/2002 2:13:56 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: nicmarlo
Well,it didn't stop them from going to bars and titty joints now then did it.
28 posted on 10/13/2002 2:19:13 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: nicmarlo
I'd swear I read somewhere that part of tarot's roots were developed in the muslim world. I'll look to see if I can find it.
46 posted on 10/13/2002 2:33:02 PM PDT by knak
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To: nicmarlo
no self-respecting Mooselem would...

I guess that means terrorists can't be hippocrites? Well ...these terrorists don't seem to respect anything--not the lives of innocents, not the lives of their children, not even their their own lives. Good moslems don't drink, whore around, or go to night clubs. Yet, the 9/11 guys sure had a good time in Vegas. Good moslems dont't do a lot of things they do. They aren't good molems.

That aside, the Tarot card is weird. I have no clue what it means. The shooters could ne home-grown nutcases, McVeigh reincarnates, or Islamic terrorists. We won't know until we know.

53 posted on 10/13/2002 2:35:22 PM PDT by Samwise
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To: nicmarlo
I understand your theory regarding the tarot card and muslims. That muslims would not use such a device, etc.

But remember, the Koran proscibes actions that czn be taken in the name of Allah during a jihad. Thus I believe that the tarot card is a ruse be an islamonazi terrorist team

71 posted on 10/13/2002 2:55:05 PM PDT by abigkahuna
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To: nicmarlo
I have thought about this as well. What if, however, the terrorists did NOT mean us to think that they believe themselves to be god, but rather that they are sending a message to us from allah. For the infidels to see these shootings as the judgement of god and as a message communicated from allah directly. Thoughts?
78 posted on 10/13/2002 2:59:49 PM PDT by xeno
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To: nicmarlo
As I do not know the Koran well enough, I do not know if it would permit a muslim to go against is sacred teachings of doing such a thing with tarot cards.

There are lots of other things the Koran does not permit, but the hijackers certainly violated a bunch of them when they visited lap dance bars just before 9/11.

89 posted on 10/13/2002 3:05:05 PM PDT by mombonn
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To: nicmarlo
His point is credible. As I do not know the Koran well enough, I do not know if it would permit a muslim to go against is sacred teachings of doing such a thing with tarot cards.

Moose Limbs are allowed to do anything...frequent prostitutes, etc. when it's in the name of Jihad.

Of course these moose limbs do that anyway so not a good example but you know what I mean.

136 posted on 10/13/2002 3:49:25 PM PDT by evad
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To: nicmarlo
from your cite from "RedsHunter":
Two things about it ... as I understand it, no self-respecting Mooselem would touch
or look at, or even write upon, a graven image of God, let alone write on it in manner
so to present himself as a God to others, even his infidel prey.


I don't think this applies to Islamists who consider themselves embarked on a Jihad.

I may stand corrected on this, but I think that in this case any sort of deception or
feint in the cause of killing infidels is justified.

Weren't there reports of some of the 9-11 terrorist crews frequenting strip joints
(in Las Vegas or Florida) and downing drinks with alcohol while they were
blending in with "us" and preparing to kill our fellow citizens?

I'm hazy on remembering this...but seem to remember that during a Jihad, we can forget
about Muslims obeying their usual religional injunctions.
193 posted on 10/13/2002 5:44:48 PM PDT by VOA
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To: nicmarlo
The one thing in particular makes me think that it's not Al Qaeda terrorists are not doing the shooting ... the Tarot card supposedly left behind at one scene. Two things about it ... as I understand it, no self-respecting Mooselem would touch or look at, or even write upon, a graven image of God, let alone write on it in manner so to present himself as a God to others, even his infidel prey.

The truth is, these al-Queda killers are not Islamic fundamentalists, but rather leftist political terrorists, and they are just fine with things no Moslem would do--witness the drinking binges for the hijackers the night before 9/11.

268 posted on 10/13/2002 11:15:41 PM PDT by SEA
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To: nicmarlo
I think it is very odd that the police have not released the tarot card to the public -- how do we know that the word God on the card was not really Allah. They released the anthrax envelopes almost immediately in hopes someone could identify the handwriting. It continues to baffle me why the card would not be released unless there was something on it that the authorities think would lead to un-PC behavior.
296 posted on 10/14/2002 11:17:18 AM PDT by hankbrown
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